what makes Hellboy interesting imho is the way Mignola uses cosmic horror as a framework for his interest in folklore, and what gives it oomph is Hellboy's struggle to find out if he can be who he wants to be instead of who he's fated to be.
I thought this was literally what the first movie was about?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:04 (one year ago) link
I liked the GdT movies, and thought Perlman was pretty good. I liked what I've read of the comics. I'll probably like this, too.
However, the feel of Mignola's art, which is about half the appeal of Hellboy for me, just can't be adequately translated to live action, IMO, unless you're going to go for some Sin City-esque hyperstylization. Has anyone seen any of the animated Hellboy stuff/is it good?
― days of being riled (zchyrs), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:08 (one year ago) link
yes/not really? I mean, I literally forgot it existed and that I had seen it until this thread popped back up again yesterday
― You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:47 (one year ago) link
"Storm of Swords" is fine, haven't kept tabs on any other animated HB films.
I complained about this when the first movie came out that I didn't like GDT's decision to make HB and Abe hide their existences from the outside world. Having common folk talk to HB like NBD is a great little touch in the comics.
― Siouxie Sioux Vide (Leee), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:02 (one year ago) link
lol i literally contradicted myself in the other Hellboy thread. I rewatched both recently though and the very particular del Toro auteurism was more impressive on these viewings. the first trailer of this new one did look cool but the last one or two were troublesome. the funny lines didn't land and the direction looked very boilerplate. The Hellboy universe goes a long way with its inherent creativity, maybe there'd be some appeal there. but idk.
― omar little, Friday, 12 April 2019 18:02 (ten months ago) link
so much for my high hopes... by all accounts this one’s a fright pig. feel bad for Harbour and for Mignola, whose work deserves better
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:49 (ten months ago) link
Such a shame. I really like a bunch of Marshall's B grade horror/historical films: "Dog Soldiers", "Centurion", "The Descent" - and was hoping he'd stay away from the cutesy GDT-isms and get at that sweet Mignola creepiness. Seems this is just a Z grade mimic'ing of the Del Toro stuff.
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:30 (ten months ago) link
so I ended up seeing this after all. it’s overstuffed and undercooked but really not half as bad as golden army and much closer in spirit to the books, which remain unassailable.a less corny soundtrack and maybe pulling two or three cheesy fight scenes would have helped a lot.they tried to do way too much and presumably won’t get a second swing, but god bless ‘em for trying. McShane’s as wasted as he is in American Gods but Harbour’s a gem throughout.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 04:53 (ten months ago) link
The previews made it seem a bit Guy Richie Does Hellboy, which seems v. unlike the comic
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 14 April 2019 11:31 (ten months ago) link
just to be clear, this is not a good movie. and there are def bits of that, though if anything more Matthew Vaughn than Guy Ritchie. i mean, there are bits of everything. you could cut a trailer that made this thing look like Attack the Block. my take is just, huh, it's not as bad as I expected.
the fatal flaw is that the producers think bc HELLBOY is a comic book, Hellboy has to be a superhero. i'd hoped this one would steer away from the CGI action crap and toward the horror/pulp/melancholy/weird tale elements but aside from one or two shots, nope.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:42 (ten months ago) link
I remember at the very least The Golden Army (which I only saw that once, back when) looked gorgeous. From its trailers this one looks like a CGI public toilet.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:48 (ten months ago) link
an overhaul of the soundtrack alone would make this 50% better
― gbx, Sunday, 14 April 2019 15:05 (ten months ago) link
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 22:28 (ten months ago) link
Yeah wasn't great was it. & it seems to want to be the first of several. Seemed like a lot of lines were off rhythm or something. Wonder how many people stayed for the post credits scenes.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:00 (ten months ago) link
Started watching this on Netflix. Barely 20 minutes in and we've had mediaeval england with king arthur and merlin and a bad witch, present day mexico where hellboy takes down a large bat-winged vampire, quick usa interlude to introduce ian mcshane, scene with baba yaga and unseen entity swearing revenge on hellboy, trip to england to talk about taking down three giants, flashback to hellboy birth scene, and then an unknown monastery terrorized by a large were-hog. It's a fuckin' mess is what it is.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 19:27 (four weeks ago) link
'this' = the 2019 film.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 19:28 (four weeks ago) link
all that is in the books.
(at least with the books you can control the speed)
― koogs, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:20 (four weeks ago) link
Or all that stuff might happen spread across four series in six years.
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:32 (four weeks ago) link
at least with the books you don't have absolutely appalling green-screen work either.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:36 (four weeks ago) link
could've been worse - the earlier books are full of cthulu and nazis.
― koogs, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:38 (four weeks ago) link
(i read 3rd and 4th omnibus one after the other, about 1000 pages total, didn't really know how it split into series or the release schedules. it was quite a ride)
― koogs, Saturday, 18 January 2020 20:46 (four weeks ago) link
cthulhu stuff in the del toro film was great iirc.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 21:11 (four weeks ago) link
i carried on to the end, funny how hellboy's story arc is so similar to the del toro film. baba yaga and the giant demons at the end were kind of cool, if they made another one and the story was a bit leaner and cgi better i'd watch it - i mean i'd probably watch it anyway since i make bad decisions about how to spend my time.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 18 January 2020 21:46 (four weeks ago) link
true of all ilxors iirc
― international sword swallower, producer and creative director (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 18 January 2020 21:49 (four weeks ago) link
― mark s, Saturday, 18 January 2020 22:10 (four weeks ago) link
yeah this one kinda broke my heart in that they got a lot right but tried to cram so much in and then erect a single dumb Big Bad on top of that quicksand that it was almost unwatchable. idk maybe it's like a transformers movie in that it might actually work better if you were high af with no access to concepts of cause and effect and it was just, like, a bunch of stuff happening.
harbour did his level best with it all and i'm sorry he won't get another shot. ledge didn't even mention that technically the wild hunt was in there too lol, plus the twilight of the fay.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 19 January 2020 22:09 (four weeks ago) link