In Praise Of : New Order's 'Movement'

this makes me really glad that I already have all those 12"s ripped and hard filed, the hell with remasters

wait, aren't the 12"s part of the box set?

No.

it might be both? lots of people might want just some of the 12s, fuck a box set imo

I kinda just want the CDs, I'm already swimming in New Order 12"s

Ah, I see. They're in the 'bundle' for 150. I have all the 12"s already, but if these sound good, i'd rather play the reissues than the originals. BTW, my original 12" of Ceremony (green sleeve, 1st version) sounds phenomenal. I can hear the guitar in the background so much clearer than on any other CD or vinyl version.

hey f.hazel, i'm looking to complete my collection and I am missing a couple 94/95 singles, and the Jetstream promo with a J on the front. if you're looking to get rid of some, i'm looking to buy.

Thanks to this thread for turning me on to that Taras Chevchenko performance, which is incredible. I agree that it throws the Movement tracks into a whole new (Hannett-free) light.

What is Peter Hook playing at that concert - is that a 6-string bass, or did the band just have 2 guitars at this point?
Also, interesting that Hook never got a lead vocal again after "Dreams Never End"... it's not like his voice is any worse than Bernie's.

^ (what is Hooky playing on the first few songs, I should say -- he seems to switch back and forth with a regular 4-string bass later in the set)

New Order 12" reissues is a weird move. All decent used record stores seem to have loads. Plus I got a pristine Ceremony cream sleeve off Discogs for $20 just last year.

All accounts I've read talk about how none of them wanted to sing. I'm surprised Hook wasn't stuck with it again.

I am all over this if they're mastered properly!

Also thanks to this thread for being, IIRC, my introduction to ILM all of 13 years ago.

"Also, interesting that Hook never got a lead vocal again after "Dreams Never End"."

doesn't he sign Doubts Even Here? Or is that Barney trying to be Ian Curtis?

sing obviously, i haven't had any coffee yet

pretty sure that's Hook

Once I untangled the grammar on the wikipedia page for that song, I confirmed that Hook did indeed sing Doubts Even Here:

This led to a dispute over who should fill Curtis' shoes with the lead vocalist role. All three male members were in contention, but due to Bernard Sumner's voice being significantly different from Curtis', New Order opted for him to take the role, wanting New Order's sound to be different from Joy Division's. Ironically with this new vocalist, in addition to "Doubts Even Here", the first track ("Dreams Never End") on the first album recorded by New Order, Movement, is sung by bassist Peter Hook.

so I bought Movement: The Definitive Edition with some unexpected catsitting money, and it's pretty great. the box and book and everything are very nice, but the real treasures are the two bonus discs, a CD and a DVD. The CD has the Western Works demos and the Cargo demos and some other neat stuff, but the DVD is so great! Four live shows (two in clubs, two in studios) from 1980-1982 showcasing all kinds of possible New Orders before they settled in and the recordings sound really good. Presumably it's mostly stuff that has been out there floating around but it's nice to have it all together... so far liking most the Cargo demos, a sorta un-Hannetted Movement and the Peppermint Lounge show from 1981 with a bonkers version of Temptation I think I've heard before but is delightful. By the 1982 versions they've already pretty much locked it down.

gross title

they wisely did not emboss that on the front of the box or anywhere inside on the artwork, only only the one-sheet stuck to the back (which can be removed)

I want to say clips from some of those live sets show up in the New Order Story doc.

> unexpected catsitting money

what? that's a great title

Some Unexpected Catsitting Money was the working title of Some Great Reward, IIRC.

Anyway, the Cargo demos are so fucking good, let me reiterate. I don't know if it's more the fresh sound of an album I've been listening to for thirty years now, or if it really just works better without the Hannett sheen... Unknown Pleasures for me was certainly drastically improved by his production (vs the Warsaw demos), but I dunno about Movement. They buried the vocals on the original Movement, but I really like them being way forward in the mix on the Cargo demos.

The guitar on the Cargo version of Dreams Never End sounds like some great lost Galaxie 500 track (Hook singing on that track... quite alarming) but his vocals work on Mesh, with the bass on that one there's a nice Gang of Four thing going. And the stripped-down Doubts Even Here has a nice Seventeen Seconds thing going. As I said, it's like a catalog of possible New Orders, before they chose.

Why is "Procession" nowhere to be found in all this remastering and reissuing? Just because it was a 7"? Or have I missed it somehow?

Too bad the 12"s don't seem to be available digitally - no CD or download.

It's on both the recent-ish Movement reissues (2CD deluxe has the original 7" version and the Definitive Edition has six various demo/live versions) and on the re-remastered Singles compilation.

You can download the singles here - in the uk anyway

https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/interpreter/new-order/download-streaming-albums?s=rdc#results

I think they are on iTunes too