cogent thoughts on nationalizing various industries:- coal- oil- steel
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
(in the US, i should say)
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
Modernity is weird:
https://jacobinmag.com/2018/12/yellow-vests-pamela-anderson-france-macron
Pamela Anderson on Europe’s TurmoilAN INTERVIEW WITHPAMELA ANDERSON SREĆKO HORVATPamela Anderson spoke to Jacobin and philosopher Srećko Horvat about the protests in France, the crisis in the European Union, and her own activism.
AN INTERVIEW WITHPAMELA ANDERSON SREĆKO HORVAT
Pamela Anderson spoke to Jacobin and philosopher Srećko Horvat about the protests in France, the crisis in the European Union, and her own activism.
This seems like a panel lineup from the Dick Cavett Show
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 17 December 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/47572254_1979948925422356_132817744755163136_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.xx&oh=556fe5bb0a5a35e226d9cbea30f606bb&oe=5C93213A
see also the parisian graffiti with this message lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 17 December 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
amazing
― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 17 December 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
how many people do we think Pamela Anderson could feasibly murder
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 December 2018 21:27 (five years ago) link
Depends on the place, depends on the time
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 17 December 2018 23:17 (five years ago) link
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/48396256_10212477136994449_6661528588589727744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=e474870b2b45050cd7e0a3e243177c9d&oe=5CAE0290
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 02:45 (five years ago) link
lmaooooooooo the hits, they keep coming
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 02:46 (five years ago) link
Bearing in mind my prior comments about the problems of political personality cults, I hope the photo becomes a meme I love it
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 02:46 (five years ago) link
she's trending!
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 02:48 (five years ago) link
That’s the closest they could get to her making this facial expression
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 02:56 (five years ago) link
she just gets more powerful with all these hit pieces
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 03:53 (five years ago) link
love it
^ this is mostly wishful thinking.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez grows in importance in the public mind as a result of all these hit pieces, but in order to counteract all the character assassination and the overwhelmingly negative tone of this propaganda she will have to become identified with effective advocacy for issues that are very popular.
As of now, for the vast majority of the nation, she is merely a name, if that. First impressions do count, and the media who want to take her down are attempting to monopolize those first impressions to the extent they are able. They know their business, treesh. They are busily poisoning the well as fast as they can.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:02 (five years ago) link
I'm gonna need some evidence that any of that well-poisoning is working tbh, all of the attacks seem super weak to me so far (and not just as a commie)
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:05 (five years ago) link
I suspect that's because of how you consume political media, Simon. God help us, but there are tens of millions of US citizens whose media sophistication is so rudimentary that they thought Benghazi and Hillary's email server were major crimes tatamount to treason because some lame talking head on FOX kept saying they were.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:11 (five years ago) link
I get that, but I still don't even see anything as (relatively) concrete as "the emails!!" to come from this messaging to date. the old "b-b-but commies!" alarms don't work all that well anymore AFAICT
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:13 (five years ago) link
well, hillary hadn't betrayed the brave soldiers of benghazi for like decades until then, but people were certainly prepped to believe that she would have
― j., Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:25 (five years ago) link
People respond more to the alarmed tone, the body language, and the carefully chosen implications that she presents a grave danger, than to any specific facts being communicated. They are consuming impressions, not facts. Even having a 'foreign-sounding' name is going to resonate badly, if the proper framework is built around it.
There's not a lot she can do to halt all that shit hurled in her direction. The best she will be able to do is craft an extremely strong counter-message, so simple and direct it is hard to obscure under the mud flung her way, and practice her camera presence to create a strong positive image to override the negative image being pasted onto her. She seems to understand this and is doing pretty well at it so far.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:28 (five years ago) link
I would say so. To hat-tip to another ilxor,
*clutches at heart* _team_ pic.twitter.com/LAxew0Jlv7— justin jacoby smith (@hoosteen) December 18, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:31 (five years ago) link
the right wing attacks ocasio cortez for being too idealistic and supporting policies most americans like, such as universal healthcare. doesn't have the sting of a seth rich imo
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:40 (five years ago) link
yeah that's a good comparison imo
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:41 (five years ago) link
she's also a young high achieving striver who could've milked her rise to prominence as some horatio alger myth but instead she gets there and shes like "it turns out america kinda sucks, lets do LOTS OF THINGS differently" like she's ungrateful!!!!
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:47 (five years ago) link
i think it's hard to smear someone like her. we'll see what she's like in congress, but right now it seems she is taking the bernie approach of never straying from the basic message. her positions are easily identifiable, unlike hillary's, which was why she could serve as a blank slate for the right to project their paranoia.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:47 (five years ago) link
not that the right won't project their paranoia on her but i don't think it will stick the same way. i think she'll have more ability to control her own story. or i hope so because we need a hard left turn away from all kinds of nonsense.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:49 (five years ago) link
the fact that she has yet toe ven take office and yet has seem to have done more to shift the direction of potential future public policy than anyone currently in congress is the greatest endorsement of the inherent appeal of left-spectrum policies (when plainly communicated) I can recall
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:55 (five years ago) link
i mean, not more than bernie or warren
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:56 (five years ago) link
more than anyone in the house yeah
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:57 (five years ago) link
I meant to say *almost* anyone there lol
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 04:57 (five years ago) link
imo, the greatest weakness of the moderate-left somewhat-progressively-minded politicians of the past three decades has been their habit of vague and generalized rhetoric on behalf of mind-numbingly complex legislation and difference-splitting policies. the more complex the legislation, the more easily it was subverted and manipulated by the wealthy and their lobbyists. they were charmed by a plausible line of rationalizations, when they needed to be resolute for clear, strong, and obvious public benefits.
but, you, the choir, have already heard this sermon I have no doubt.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 05:05 (five years ago) link
I think more, honestly. it's the age factor.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 05:31 (five years ago) link
As someone pointed out on the Current Affairs podcast, AOC is hard to attack because she does what Trump does: she never gets defensive. Every attempt made to slander her has been met with a "hell yeah I'm socialist" or whatever.
― gbx, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
^^^
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
a fun AOC factoid
This also means @Ocasio2018 will have roughly 8 (!) hours per day more than her colleagues to spend on legislation, at hearings, reading, writing, doing press, meeting with constituents, etc. Her colleagues schedule is more like the following: /1 https://t.co/Y4jqzohzep— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) December 18, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
It'd be a bold move if she actually avoids getting roped into call time
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
maybe this should all go in Democratic (Party) Direction idk
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link
My old org often bandied around the idea of blockading one of the call time buildings but we figured ultimately it was too obscure a target to resonate with most people
Kinda wish we'd done it
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 20:37 (five years ago) link
Call time is for raising money for the DCCC and stuff like that, right? So is she raising money from small donors still, or is she just not pitching in? I mean, she could probably win that fight, but it's not really the same story.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 21:12 (five years ago) link
aiui the DCCC plops you down and gives you a list
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 21:18 (five years ago) link
what is aiui pls
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
as i understand it
― sleeve, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
yah
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
is this the day I became more online than hoos, surely not
a new one to me!!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
Tabletmag is targeting DSA again, this time calling out one of the co-chairs of my chapter by name and getting weird about it:
https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/277482/the-stars-of-the-new-american-left-israel-hating-women
A glimpse:
I haven’t even had time to read it all yet but I’m freaking the fuck out about this truly insane article on Tablet pic.twitter.com/kOb2SwtKvb— Olivia Katbi Smith🌹أوليفيا كاتبي (@livkittykat) December 19, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link
lol tablet isn't targeting DSA. tablet is targeting the DNC by trying to tie them to DSA.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link
When the delegates to the Democratic National Convention assemble less than two years from now, will the showdown between centrists and progressives that everyone expects actually occur? Will a few zealots of anti-Zionism take their place among the progressives? Will they push their way to the microphone, and will they send mad orations beaming outward to the American public, calling for the elimination of an entire country? And will the mad orations lead to grisly chants and an occasional outbreak of medieval superstition, hither and yon? In short, will the same miserable battle that has torn apart large portions of the European left spread to America, not just on a miniature scale (which has already happened), but full blast, with national consequences? This is not a silly question.
lol this *is* a deeply silly question wtf
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link
but the point is that tablet thinks kingfish's friend is bad PR for the dems. it's not a hit job. except for a few snide remarks (like the Gaza sentence) it's mostly just her words printed verbatim. i do think she realizes that bc she says it's essentially a "meet this young person" profile - yes but the political utility is not aimed at DSA at all. the author would probably be happy if DSA became more and more powerful and took over the Democratic Party.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:56 (five years ago) link
mad orations mad orations mad orations
― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 20 December 2018 02:50 (five years ago) link