one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

Shocked to discover he's still an MP

the current game in the Con party is survival of the weakest (even though all the so-called big beasts are weak as well)

stonking speech from sir ivan rogers (speaking, if the accompanying photo is of the actual event, to a largely empty room):

https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13/full-speech-sir-ivan-rogers-on-brexit/

yep i had started that last night and its very good

got the impression that posting itt would probly lead to finding out he was himself an awful man so i decided to labour on in happy ignorance

haha yes. i too have deliberately avoided what would normally be a reflexive google

Moreover, the right seems to have shifted from ‘the CofE is the bedrock of English culture’ to ‘the church is beset by political correctness and is going down the drain’ in recent years. The bishops are perceived as being vastly more progressive than the laity.

I think that's being going on for a long time, as far back as Thatcher, though George Carey did his best to try to drag the CofE rightwards.

More speeches - found this brief one from Donald Tusk interesting on his terrace menace past.

What do they want? Better wigs! #Conservatives #Brexit pic.twitter.com/RuFJrjdJSQ

— AnotherGreen (@Anothergreen) December 16, 2018

good decision by fabricant to stand next to someone who looks even more ridiculous than him for a tv appearance.

Came here to post the Ivan Rogers speech - he's a free-marketeer and a former representative to the EU, but it does seem a good (and very depressing) summary of what's going to happen sans referendum.

uh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5S1EMmCWAE

wtf is up with Bennie's accent? Is it supposed to be Scottish or Geordie? Or Southern English when he's by the side of the bus?

James Graham has written two genuinely terrific political plays (This House and Ink) but both are great because we're at a safe distance from the historical moment. He's really good at capturing the moment before a big rupture in British society and it works because we know what happens next and what it means more than any of the characters do.

His last play, Labour of Love, was mediocre in large part because it didn't have that historical distance (although it was also clearly written in a hurry) and it's likely that the Brexit drama will be the same.

yep i had started that last night and its very good

got the impression that posting itt would probly lead to finding out he was himself an awful man so i decided to labour on in happy ignorance

Same

david peace or gtfo xp

Lol the Boris

We need a rolling UK into the shitbin thread https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/dec/16/jaguar-land-rover-to-axe-up-to-5000-jobs

Should have posted it here too: Rolling UK Economy Into The Shitbin Thread

Yes, good work there, HBO.

him that played unintentionally funny coke dealer in corrie as Aaron Banks seems about right.

Damon Albarn is now involved

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/16/damon-albarn-joins-call-for-citizens-assembly-to-break-brexit-deadlock

I'm deffo voting Leave now if there's a 2nd ref!

Rowan Williams, Damon Albarn, Ruth Lister, Laura Janner-Klausner, Jonathan Coe, Ian McEwan, Caitlin Moran, Neal Lawson

say no more!

Fucking Damon fucking Albarn, God help us.

Facilitated by experts, and combining small-group discussions with large-scale debates and a series of votes, they are aimed at removing the conflicts of interest and tribal loyalties that can hamper politicians in reaching a conclusion.

I think you write a shitty single about it then everything's sorted

worked in africa tbf

lol at the idea that some unelected bureaucrats in the guise of "experts" are gonna heal the nation by overriding parliamentary sovereignty and saving the electorate from themselves. These people are deranged.

wait i cant tell if thats sarcasm or not

half sarcasm/half this is how these dickheads will be perceived!

I know they used the RoI abortion vote as an example of a good citizens' assembly doing good work or whatever, but this is a completely different type of vote - it's not a vote to ban the birching of bairns or something - even though some compare leaving the EU to something as unspeakable as that.

fair enough you dont want it to be amy old berks

but unelected bureaucrats saving the people from themselves is ime pretty much how theres anything left anywhere at all at this stage tbh

amy oldberk, you know, daughter of sir les oldberk, running for his seat next time round

RoI abortion / birching of bairns / Brexit is a pretty close comparison in that the experts are pretty clear on whether it's a good idea, but that by itself isn't going to carry the day.

"unelected bureaucrats" is such a big thing in the lexicon of UKIP/Far right Con/the Brexit campaign, that I deffo meant that as sarcasm, or how it would be reported by what's left of the right wing printed press.

heh i thought so but look i also know the other types of unelected bureaucrats and obv they ought be in the flatbed trucks with the rest of em when the time comes

ah, the ideal world, where every position in every department of government is filled via an election by the general populace! or better still, via lottery.

I am delighted to inform you that the perpetually constipated Jordan Peterson has opinions about Corbyn:

Elect him at your peril https://t.co/BX91vYNsXc

— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) December 16, 2018

Suggest everyone ripping the piss out of the Citizens’ Assembly read this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/08/how-99-strangers-in-a-dublin-hotel-broke-irelands-abortion-deadlock

The Citizens’ Assembly voted 64-36 in favour of repeal; the actual result was 66-34.

It’s a bad idea for the UK, which a) has already voted and b) ran the referendum in the first place without a clear outcome.

can only speak for our own goodselves on the emerald isle

we are posted via lottery

xp tbf to calz gyac he nodded our way

also we are i hope more reasonable than the brits right

Idk about reasonable but I would say more politically educated through good ol CSPE

no doubt John Sacks and all those other JP groupies at the bbc will working out how to subliminally brainwash the UK into hearing that piece in their sleep if there is a build up to a snap election.

Just reminds me of that bit from Betting the House where the Sun have that anti-Corbyn front page on polling day and Corbyn just pisses himself laughing when he sees it. “Oh noooo, lobster man thinks I’m bad, oh nooooo”

Wow at that Damon piece. I think I would trust even the worst elected representative over a guy who told the world he got off heroin with nothing more than a few aspirin.

there's something fascinating about the lack of self-awareness of your Albarns, like there's no evidence that he thought to himself "maybe me chipping in here will alienate as many people as it enthuses, perhaps i should just shut up and work quietly behind the scenes" because he can't imagine a world that doesn't want to hear what he, Damon Albarn out of Gorillaz, has to say about stuff

Why would he think that, when his latest interview is run over x number of pages, with pics etc?

Heard enough of Jonathan Coe's on-the-nose middle england caricatures when his shitty brexit novel was book of the week on r4 recently. But tbf to him he's not Damon fucking Albarn!

and Labour supporter Caitlin Moran, who said in an opinion piece before election 17 that Labour needed a more media savvy leader like the Maybot, because she was going "gangbusters" in the polls because of her great oratory skills. That sort of insight is worth every penneth of the 250k she gets.

just reading that latest D Edgerton book. He says that Scottish nationalists in the interwar years didn't want independence from the UK, but instead campaigned for the Empire having an Anglo-Scottish identity. Just thought that was interesting in the light of the rise of Ruth and Tory gains made in the some of the poorest areas.

The rise in support amongst Rangers fans, in other words. The Unionist Party, before they joined up with the Conservative Party, were popular among working class (Protestant) voters in Scotland because they had a specific Scottish identity, whereas the Labour Party were seen as inimical to nationalism of any kind. Once the Unionist Party got submerged in the Tory Party anti-Englishness and suspicion of Westminster politicians started eating up their vote.