Come anticipate animated Miles Morales in SPIDER-MAN: INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE with me

Enjoyed this. Great fun.
Liked the end graphics too. Very trippy.

& it does have an end of credits scene which I didn't quite get the context of.

BUt great fun, is it going to get sequels do you think?

A whole Marvel Noir film, & what else came out around the same time that series first did? Was it just the Mayflower one too?
Could see some mileage in the first, less in the latter.

But Miles is set up now.
Everybody else there had a previous incarnation in comics i think. Not sure about Spider girl or was that in a What If?
Not come across the Sp//dr and Peni Parker thing before though.

All of them come from the comics.

I was confused about something (spoilers?) .....

So Miles lives in a world where there already is a Spider-man, but then he gets bit by a *different* radioactive spider that's been wandering around? Where did the other spider come from? Nbd, I loved this, just was a bit confused.

For those who might not be aware, Spider-Verse was an event in the comics a couple years back which mashed together literally every incarnation of Spider-Man that ever existed, including all of the variations from the comics as well as, for instance, the one from the '67 Bakshi cartoon and the one from the Electric Company and the one from the Japanese show where he piloted a giant robot. It was kinda nuts and surprisingly more fun than disastrous.

(I can't speak to the movie I haven't seen yet, but in the Ultimate comics there was a Peter Parker Spider-Man who died and then, yes, Miles was later bitten by a different spider and became Spider-Man Mk II.)

This was fantastic - visually stunning, funny, sweet and practically bursting with ideas.

I watched this followed right after by Aquaman, which was such a letdown in comparison.

re the post credits scene: it (and pretty much the whole movie tbh) is a riff on this classic internet meme.

xpost Which is sort of what happens here. But where did the other spider come from, years after Peter Parker was first bitten? I thought the first spider was a one-off.

I thought all of the ending credits were tons of fun.

In the comics, some scientist was trying to reverse engineer Spidey's powers after his death and Miles was bitten by one of those experimental spiders. Guessing they probably didn't want to delve too deeply into the whole 'harvesting hero corpses for their superhuman abilities' thing in this film and just left it at 'hey look, another spider'.

I think I was wondering more about the bit leading up to that photo. In the internet meme like.

What a great, great film, can't say anything more than others have already. And man that design sense throughout, with the offprinted color suggestions and the like.

I approve of this news

http://filmmusicreporter.com/2018/12/20/christmas-songs-from-spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-to-be-released/

this was a blast. tons and tons of fun. I guess if I had one thing I would have asked for it would have been more villains.

the one from the Japanese show where he piloted a giant robot.
― Home Despot (Old Lunch), Sunday, December 16, 2018 5:09 PM

Is she really anything like that version of Spiderman? Wasn't that Spiderman a bit like the classic version, but just riding a huge robot?

Apparently there are 5 Japanese versions. I like to refer to the Ono/Ikegami/Hirai version as "the masturbating Spiderman that Marvel will never fully reprint". Apparently some Japanese readers much prefer this version. Even Rumiko Takahashi (Ranma, Urusei Yatsura, Inuyasha) said the American original was "too light hearted for my taste".

Ok in addition to being a good movie, this is undoubtedly the greatest technical achievement in computer animation to date.

my 4yo buddy's review: 'i like spider-man.' why, dude? 'he gets up'

was the female Doc Ock from the comics?

original to this film apparently, according to wikipedia

particular <3 to Kathryn Hahn, Liev Schreiber, Lily Tomlin in this v good voice cast.

"do animals talk in this universe?"

the trailers in front of this were a mix of very dire and samey children's animation about fuzzy animals with indistinguishable handclappy pop themes, intolerable Christian movies, and DC's Shazam, which struck me as at least not horribly misbegotten and possibly charming in a throwbacky kind of way

god, the crossturbation trailers actually had me reacting loudly in the theatre. we had two of them.

did you get the one with Topher Grace?

I wouldn't know

was the female Doc Ock from the comics?
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, December 24, 2018 5:33 PM

original to this film apparently, according to wikipedia
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, December 24, 2018 5:37 PM

There was one in the 90s but probably a different character.

GOD DAMN this was TREMENDOUS. this is EXACTLY what a comic book movie should be.

only niggle, which is common to pretty much all movies and tv now, is that everything happens so fast you forget what just came before. there's v little time to actually process anything. but my lord, the benday dots and shading and absurdly abstract climax - cars and buildings and trains and the brooklyn bridge all floating by in a swirling, howling matrix of dots and colours, all to be used as background and leverage and weapon. utterly insane.

my 7-y-o says, pausing over a burrito afterwards, "it was all about the promise he makes to peter parker." and i thought god damn, lord and miller would bottle that moment if they could and put it on their mantelpiece.

It really is that good. Kinda expect to see this being a year zero moment way more than anything around it -- just give it a few years.

i don't think I've ever seen anything like it, outside of loony tunes. the anarchy and physical delight of it.

Agreed that this is the standard to which superhero movies should set themselves. I’d take something of this caliber over any live action adaptation for what it’s worth.

- bagel -

it turns out 'make pretend real' wasn't it

were the backgrounds and foregrounds supposed to be deeply off-register at times or should i bug the theater about a refund for showing the 3D version during the 2D showing?

Yes that was an intentional choice to interpret depth of field through a “misregistration” effect. Theatrical 3D uses polarization not colored lenses. (NB I thought this effect was very cool.)

i had the same thought! the fact they were able to make choices that bold is frankly a goddamn Christmas miracle imo

there is something else that annoys me, not a big deal, but hang on for an extremely Old Lunch post. i too have read a screenwriting book or two, and there is a moment in this movie which is commonly known as All Is Lost - miles is imprisoned by super-strong spidey string to a chair, his powers deemed too immature for him to participate in the Final Mission; he is unable to make good on his promise to peter parker. everything has stopped, the movie is going to happen without him. now typically what happens here is the hero has to realise some fundamental truth about themselves in order to tap into their real power - they have to stop fighting fate, or realize they're actually in love, or whatever. once the key to their own personal conflict has been turned they're able to advance to the public conflict of the A-story. this little turn has been used so many times in so many movies that we're primed for it, even if just subconsciously. so it almost no longer even needs to make any sense, in a way. it just needs to be there. and in this movie it just sort of seemed to be there without making much sense. Miles' dad shows up, knocking at his door. to tell him that.. he's hard on him because he loves him! but.. we knew that! miles knew it! his dad even hailed him on the patrol car's loudspeaker to tell him he loved him, in front of all his new classmates (fantastic scene by the way!) I guess you could say that Miles doesn't in fact CONFIDE in his dad - he saves that for his uncle. that's a key that could be turned here, maybe. but miles doesn't (can't, in fact - his mouth's stopped up!) So his dad just.. leaves? but the box has been ticked - Miles now digs deep and can turn on his electricity powers and we're off. i mean.. not a huge deal but it is the pivot on which Miles' story turns and it's pro forma.

lol okay my 7-y-o has set me straight on this. Miles WANTS to confide in his dad but he can't because his mouth is stopped up and it makes him so mad that he is able to use his powers, like the Hulk!

broke my superhero movie ban for this and dammit i'm glad i did. an absolute feast for the eyes. i mean in a year where isle of dogs and mandy both came out...idk they're all spectacular in completely different ways, unforgettably bold.

while this film maybe missed a couple of storytelling beats in its rush to be a literal comic book, it really is the best representation of the form i can imagine having existed on screen thus far. it couldn't have put any more thought, effort or love into its desire to do the form justice. it makes me want to read marvel comics and that coming from me is nearly heresy

let's talk about phil lord (and christopher miller) (but mostly phil lord). the dude wrote this and i think his script and story allowed the perfect pacing and space for the visuals to build to their jaw-gaping climax, which was kind of like cloudy with a chance of meatballs turned up to fifteen - he's always wanted to make this exact spectacle and now he has (as producer/writer - i'm v interested to find out more about the actual direction team)

i've wanted to start a lord/miller thread for a while. i'm obv v cynical about superhero movies and hollywood spectacles and such but they are YET TO MAKE A BAD FILM - they absolutely nail it every time. i think they and lord especially are the preeminent geniuses of the actionverse right now. they have some very repeatable but always laudable tropes. they are single-handedly responsible for making cops cool again. i mean they're doing amazing work presenting their idea what the police could and should be - strong, fatherly, responsible, moral, balanced. so yeah they love cops, sure, but they mostly love good fathering. idk i'm rambling here. cops as servants rather than corrupt powerbrokers. it's a fantasy maybe but they own it so well. stop me ffs

also all their scripts are on point

again, the greatest technical achievement to date in computer animation

Things to notice:
🕷️ Both Miles & Peter are animated on 2's (12 poses/sec), while the scene was rendered on 1's (24 frames/sec). So even though they're frozen for two frames, they are moving within the frame.
🕷️ They are on animated 2's, but offset from each other.
🕷️ Bagel!!! pic.twitter.com/V64n8cRffT

— Todd Vaziri (@tvaziri) January 2, 2019

there's more stuff in the thread on this single shot. The offset 2s are wild as heck

haha man I didn't notice all that stuff but I was conscious that there was a lot of deep animated juju going on even if i didn't know exactly what it was. the off-register depth-of-field effect, the stop-motion style stuff. felt bristly and alive and all times.

so fuckin' metal. animation-wise, i mean

I want to sit in a theater and frame-advance through this movie for 12 hours

Same. What a great movie!

I watched this yesterday and despite several distractions, I was absorbed. So beautiful and streamlined.

Doc Ock reminded me of Entrapta from the nu She Ra, both in voice and design.

Looooove Gwen's design. Undercut + pointe shoes = yay.

For sure, one of the best costume comic book costume designs in the last decade. Feel like that's half the reason for her success

Took my four year old to see this before christmas not expecting too much but holy fucking shit did I love this. Enough that I saw it again on New Years Day; I don't remember the last time I saw a movie twice in a theater - honestly it might have been Back To The Future or the Phantom Menace (in an attempt to see if it really was that bad).

Everything about this was great, even for me with little to no comic book / spiderman literacy. And Doc Ock (prior to the reveal) was the biggest laugh for me as she felt like a dead-on composite of a bunch of STEM academics I know or have had interactions with.

she reminded me of the 'nerd' character on Orphan Black

I loved this movie so much, Doc Ock was legitimately terrifying and her demise was wonderful.

Three times in my life have I been in a movie theatre and seen something so funny that my entire body seized up in a static form of hysterical laughter. The first was age 10 when Bob Hoskins yells "Ooga Booga" at the bouncer in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit". The second was Jonah Hill wiping out on a side-view mirror in Superbad. The third was the moment when Aunt May is looking around her house at the various fight scenes, and frames appear 1-2-3-4 of tussling, and the final fourth frame is of Spider-Ham smashing one of Aunt May's plates over his own head. One of the funniest gags I've ever seen tbh

Sorry it wasn't a sideview mirror it was Emma Stone's nose

I misremembered

lol!

I have a feeling we’ll have returning and new characters next time.

yeah the crew gwen was assembling at the end included all the spider-people from the first movie iirc

I was thinking that one reason they may shy away from Silk is that her story (in the comics, anyway) sort of goes against the movie's concept that every Spider-person needs to lose one or more ppl close to them as inspiration; and also that there can only apparently be one Spider-person per universe (although I don't know if the movie actually says that's a rule, or if I'm making it up). Her origin & background are also heavily tied up with the comics' version of the "Spider-Verse" and related concepts, which the movie doesn't f with.

All that said, they apparently got around the same points w/Jess Drew by just using an alternate version...

(The first two points, I mean... Jess's backstory in the comix isn't tied into the Spider-Verse, it's just weird as hell.)

Going thru the soundtrack album (Metro Boomin Presents Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (Soundtrack from and Inspired by the Motion Picture)) is somehow a lot less pleasing than encountering/experiencing the music in the movie itself... but at least I was able to identify / add-to-playlist the track that plays throughout the opening Spider-Gwen sequence ("Self-Love," by Metro Boomin & Coi Leray). Its use was so perfect, I thought...

sounds like this thing was a nightmare to work on

According to people who worked on the sequel, Across the Spider-Verse, it’s because the working conditions required to produce such artistry are not sustainable. Multiple Across the Spider-Verse crew members — ranging from artists to production executives who have worked anywhere from five to a dozen years in the animation business — describe the process of making the the $150 million Sony project as uniquely arduous, involving a relentless kind of revisionism that compelled approximately 100 artists to flee the movie before its completion. Four of these crew members agreed to speak pseudonymously about the sprint to finish the movie three years into the sequel’s development and production, a period whose franticness they attribute to Lord’s management style — in particular, his seeming inability to conceptualize 3-D animation during the early planning stages and his preference to edit fully rendered work instead.

https://www.vulture.com/2023/06/spider-verse-animation-four-artists-on-making-the-sequel.html

also seems unlikely reading this that part two is gonna hit its release date

So apparently there are multiple (slightly) different versions of this in theatres now?

I only heard about a version with an updated sound mix (which I assumed we would’ve gotten at the late date we saw it, but some of the dialogue was pretty muddy).

I was wondering when people might start noticing… https://t.co/E6G9tUXmDE

— Andy! Leviton (@AlliterAndy) June 23, 2023

Saw this last night with the crusty sound mix. I enjoyed the film but damn if there ain’t a lot of it

Saw this yesterday, and it was great. I did feel like it dragged in places towards the end (too many action set-pieces of all things), but the emotional scenes are extremely potent.

The cliffhanger ending where Gwen's drum solo shows up on the soundtrack again was OMG, A+++++.

I wouldn't normally watch an 18-minute (or even 8-minute) YouTube video; but my kid showed me this, and it's really well done – the guy tackles a big plot element of the movie that didn't really make sense for me either, and goes for a grand No-Prize explanation that seems right on target (guess we'll find out in the third movie):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ESxmyDnTms

also seems unlikely reading this that part two is gonna hit its release date

I blame you, bg! j/k

“Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse,” the third film in the blockbuster Lord and Miller animated franchise, has been undated. It was meant to open March 29, 2024. Due to union’s work stoppage orders, the voice cast cannot complete dialogue recording in time for the spring opening, said a Sony source. A new date is expected in the coming weeks.

honestly, good, maybe they won't give the animators as many lashes this time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ90GIuawAo

Navel gazing that I'm here for.

Like it's genuinely kinda beautiful.

That was surprisingly great!

Coming to Netflix on Halloween: https://deadline.com/2023/10/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-digital-release-date-netflix-1235575546/

Do we have a thread for discussing "Sony's Spider-Man Universe (SSU)," and specifically this new Madame Web movie? Thx

One of Dr. Morbius's many gifts to our community is making it impossible to find anything on the Jared Leto film.

Free-to-stream Spider-Verse short on YT tomorrow!

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/the-spider-within-a-spider-verse-story-when-and-where-to-stream-the-short-film/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcGPpwFdE1Y

I still don't know what they thought, not releasing this movie in the relevant territories as Kilometers Morales.