hey everybody
funny how actually liking your job leaves less time for here
― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:43 (five years ago) link
Hi, Dan. I hope to discover that for myself one day.
― my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
The tics are definitely irritating (I swore off him long ago) but I feel like Ellis is even worse when he's got his po-faced sci-fi hat on
― Number None, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
hi DJP!!
― mh, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
last thing I remember liking from him is Nextwave. At least it was taking the piss
― Number None, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
Ellis has done good work despite his tics. But almost always despite his tics. The lesser stuff is all tic (was particularly miffed when he picked up Ennis's unfortunate 'John Constantine = me with my baddass meter cranked to 11' baton).
― my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
for some reason DC is letting Warren Ellis reimagine the Wildstorm universe, maybe because he did an ok job the first time. it's ok?
his Secret Avengers issues were good one-shot stories in a landscape where very few comics do one-shot stories anymore
― mh, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
And welcome to the Warren Ellis discussion thread.
― my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
DJP!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
Powers sucked and led to my no longer reading Bendis (when I was reading comics), but I do remember loving his Daredevil run.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
I thought Powers had like twelve issues and I'm going to be wildly confused if I investigate, right?
― mh, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 19:11 (five years ago) link
Yyyyyyup. I don't know if it's currently being published (I'm guessing not, since Bendis moved to DC) but it was still being published up until fairly recently.
― my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
Haha just a bit.
Vol 1 Powers had 37 issuesVol 2 Powers had 30 issuesVol 3 Powers had 11 issuesPowers Bureau had 12 issuesVol 4 Powers has had 4(?) issues so far
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 19:18 (five years ago) link
I browsed the wiki entry a little and it sounds like I had read further than I thought, but I definitely jumped ship before volume 2 when the concept seemed to run out of steam and interesting ideas
Which is kind of the problem with how Bendis's Marvel work went, to me: he'd have a half-decent idea or at least pitch for a plot, sometimes not go overboard with his "we're all talking at once" dialogue, and kick out a decent plot arc. Then he'd inexplicably keep writing the title for several years. By the end, he was just doing the same plot arcs he'd already done, but on different books.
― mh, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
I was home sick over the holidays and idly watched this cuz it was free on Netflix and who wants to guess what I thought of it
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 22:46 (five years ago) link
Amazing effects supervision?
― DJI, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link
you cried at the end when they all crumbled away ;_;
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 22:49 (five years ago) link
is this a teaser trailer for your upcoming post
― j., Wednesday, 2 January 2019 22:53 (five years ago) link
lol DJI respect knuckles
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 22:57 (five years ago) link
something something meter data
― an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:03 (five years ago) link
i wanna hear it!
― topical mlady (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:21 (five years ago) link
https://bschlog.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/killjoy-was-here.png
― The Mandal Brah Set (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:33 (five years ago) link
i bet shakey loved it and has watched it two (2) more times since
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:39 (five years ago) link
it was bad! really bad. mostly all I could think while watching it was what a huge waste of resources, money and effort went into it, esp packing every single goddamn frame with a bunch of super finely-detailed CGI in a vain attempt to convey some kind of realism or awesome sense of scale or ... something. The plot (such as it was) was predictable both in its telegraphed beats and its utter reliance on familiarity with every other conceivable entry in the MCU. If I wasn't familiar with the comics and just happened to be watching this movie and went into it cold it would be completely incomprehensible. who are all these people and why are there so fucking many of them? why should I care about any of them? oh here's a fight scene where a bunch of super-highly-detailed CGI things get smashed and someone makes a smartass remark. on to the next one! a bunch of these protagonists don't seem to like each other for some reason. evil space guy wants to achieve a cosmic balance by murdering half of all life in the universe? uh ok, that makes no sense, there is *way* more empty space/non-living matter in the universe than living matter already...? I would've preferred Thanos' original motive, NIHILISM why because he's in love with DEATH, or Darkseid's anti-life equation, which at least have some semblance of internal consistency/logic. Just fucking stupid, loud, overblown and exhausting. Infinity Gems never made sense to me anyway - he has a REALITY GEM that controls REALITY? uh, doesn't that make him omniscient? why would you need any other gems at all? I fast-forwarded through most of the last big fight scene at Wakanda waiting for Thor to show up and then when he does and "kills" Thanos oh SNAP! REALITY GEM to the rescue btw a bunch of ppl are dead. ok. I wish they were all dead tbh, Thanos didn't go far enough tbrr.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:42 (five years ago) link
omniscient
meant omnipotent
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:43 (five years ago) link
i just started watching mcu movies after never having seen any and they've all been ok, this looks dumb as hell tho
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:48 (five years ago) link
If I wasn't familiar with the comics and just happened to be watching this movie and went into it cold it would be completely incomprehensible. who are all these people and why are there so fucking many of them? why should I care about any of them?
this is a redundant criticism
the whole point is that the audience has seen all the other movies
― Number None, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:49 (five years ago) link
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, January 2, 2019 3:48 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
actually ill go as far as to say that i actually liked guardians of the galaxy and spiderman: homecoming
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:50 (five years ago) link
that's a terrible way to make a movie imo, it can't stand on its own as a piece of work
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:51 (five years ago) link
nn otm on that point
shakey otm about everything else
― topical mlady (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:51 (five years ago) link
did u go into Superman 3 wondering why there was a d00d flying around in a red cape
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:54 (five years ago) link
it’s a pretty bad way to make a lot of comics, but here we arethey really should just number the main ones past a certain point because despite movies being “tangential” a bunch are essential. it’s a serial story across a franchise
― mh, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:54 (five years ago) link
some of the mcu ensemble movies work brilliantly tbh
some are a fuckin mess
they all suffer from presumed gravitas when really theyve the emotional depth of a medium-warm fart.
lots of the stand-alone ones are good tho. and the casting and quipping are fun
plots, as a rule, totally embarrassing
black panther, gotg2 and dr strange real low points, latest spiderman and thor/hulk prob best
― topical mlady (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:55 (five years ago) link
the hyper-finely defined backgrounds and settings just made it incredibly ugly to look at imo, like they were trying to make up for a lack of storytelling ability, characterization, coherence, emotion or anything that makes movies interesting by cramming every single pixel of every frame with some bright and shiny doodad. It reminded me of 90s comics artists who seemed to think the pinnacle of comics art was using as many tiny lines as possible, or those guitar magazine metal guitarists that think every song should be non-stop shredding finger-tapping and whammy bar pulloffs. just stop it.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:55 (five years ago) link
really they could just start putting “an avengers story” as a subtitle, awkwardly
― mh, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:56 (five years ago) link
it's clearly not a terrible way to make this particular movie. The resonance it has for fans is built on the many hours they've spent watching these characters prior to this. It's fine that it doesn't work for you, and your other criticisms are perfectly valid matters of taste, but to argue that the non-standalone nature of this movie is a failure is to fundamentally misunderstand what Marvel were attempting to achieve with it
― Number None, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:57 (five years ago) link
I liked the last Thor movie a lot! It had a self-contained story, characters with identifiable motives and relationships, a lot of character-driven humor, good art design underpinning it etc
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 23:58 (five years ago) link
the avengers throughline is a big challenge. it clunks now.
better when it can be referenced without the universe-threatening, dire consequences and contracted minimum screentime for each of seventy stars
cpt america movies probably achieve a good balance here?
avengers 1 was really good tho
― topical mlady (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link
they coulda spent 45 minutes recapping everything and then had a pop quiz afterwards before moving the story forward
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link
I feel like the movies have become too true to the Avengers, which is the most boring team comic Marvel has ever done. That’s my challop
― mh, Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link
haha that's totally true. the Avengers are such a non-entity as a team, there's no particular reason for any of those people to be together beyond "did not have own comic at the time"
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:02 (five years ago) link
X-Men, FF, hell even the Defenders have a better reason for existence
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:03 (five years ago) link
The resonance it has for fans
this is exactly why it fucking sucks! Cuz it's for "fans" and not, y'know, people.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:04 (five years ago) link
second avengers was i think where it lost balance, i get that there were far reaching consequences for the group and the world arising from that plot but tbh it wasnt anything that hadnt been covered in cap movies and otherwise it was two hours of whizzing waste as described by shakey above. exhausting, lacking charm and honestly the cheapest "am i really meant to care about this death" gambit in manys the year
― topical mlady (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:05 (five years ago) link
I read 40 random pages from the middle of this book and it made no sense whatsoever. F-!!!
― The Mandal Brah Set (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:05 (five years ago) link
it made 2 billion dollars. The fans are the people
― Number None, Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:08 (five years ago) link
that was a tenner each from the cast tbf
― topical mlady (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:10 (five years ago) link
this is a funny point and makes me think it would be hilarious if they just released one long 16-hour Avengers movie, which would probably be 3 times as grueling as Shoah
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:10 (five years ago) link
I don't even know what 'fans' we're discussing here anyway. There are tons of kids who have grown up on this stuff who probably couldn't give two shits about the comics. These movies are def for those 'fans'.
― The Mandal Brah Set (Old Lunch), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:11 (five years ago) link
nn if we set aside shakeys criticism based on walking in twenty hours in and being confused, what did you reckon of the latest avengers?
or gotg2
or bp?
or avengers2?
think they all suffered badly from a fair whack of his other points, like
― topical mlady (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:13 (five years ago) link