I imagine Meghan Remy of US Girls is getting pretty close as well
tbh not a lot of ppl over 35 of any klnd on the Pfork list
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
absence of roisin murphy on most tracks lists is a global scandal tbh
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link
Also a gross neglect of k-pop and happy hardcore.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:31 (five years ago) link
what's kind of odd about Kamasi Washington being the anointed jazz pick for non-jazz pubs is that both those albums are much easier to digest than KW's
I actually feel like KW's uncompromising, exhaustive maximalist aesthetic is part of what non-jazz pubs admire about him. He seems like a "visionary" and reminds them of Coltrane. (I prefer the McCraven album, too.)
― jaymc, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:35 (five years ago) link
x-post--Looks like the Rosalia cut is the only non-English language track in the Pitchfork top 100 tracks.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:36 (five years ago) link
xps i was a little disappointed BTS didn't show up on any tracks lists seeing as they've actually made it in america now & "idol" was such a triumph imo - organically blending into gqom into their sound for something that doesn't really sound much like anything else in either korean or american pop at the moment
they did show up on the noisey albums list i guess but i don't really rate the album
― ufo, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
DJ Booth - 50 Best Hip-Hop and R&B Albums of 2018, Rankedhttps://djbooth.net/features/2018-12-11-best-albums-2018-ranked
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:45 (five years ago) link
maura's point is undeniable, but yeah my version of a genuinely surprising list would be one that had multiple albums from outside the anglosphere.
jaymc: I agree it makes sense in that way. But I think they're doing their readers a disservice by limiting their presentation of jazz to that particular aesthetic. Just speaking personally I'm not sure I've heard every track on the KW yet, while I've listened to all of Universal Beings lots (SoK being even more digestible).
― rob, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, December 11, 2018 9:30 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed, although I think the lack of an album and no clear big single probably caused vote-splitting
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:54 (five years ago) link
The contemporary 'classical' music scene now features plenty of incredible women composers and musicians over 35, far more than a decade ago. It's not exactly mainstream, though…
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
wow this Tierra Whack "album" is powerfully annoying
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
katherine i'm appealing to the UN to have plaything officially recognised as the top roisin tune of 2018
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
denied, it's "all my dreams"
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link
― rob
i don't know, rym list culture goes pretty heavily outside the anglosphere, to me it would be pretty easy to put together a list of non-english 2018 records
much harder for me to put together a list of records by over-35 women, and it would include stuff like bettye lavette's record of dylan songs
part of that difficulty though is that i don't read press releases and so i have no idea how old the women making the records i listen to are. if it's instrumental i don't even know the gender of the person making it, unless they have a name my american ass recognizes as female.
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
what's kind of odd about Kamasi Washington being the anointed jazz pick for non-jazz pubs is that both those albums are much easier to digest than KW'sI actually feel like KW's uncompromising, exhaustive maximalist aesthetic is part of what non-jazz pubs admire about him. He seems like a "visionary" and reminds them of Coltrane. (I prefer the McCraven album, too.)
― jaymc, Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:35 AM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I didn't mean to diss Kamasi, I like him a lot...all three of the albums are great though I prefer the other two, I mean the larger problem is there's only one slot for one capital-J jazz album
― No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
I mean an easy way to put together a list of records by over-35 women is to follow women throughout their careers
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
There's just so much music now! from all over the world, all kinds of genres, the idea that any list of 50 albums can even come close to capturing a year in music in the post streaming era is just foolish
these lists feel less important than ever, but maybe more useful, like i feel like i'm just looking at different playlists and it gives me stuff to look up at work
― No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:22 (five years ago) link
on another note I am genuinely stunned that the Janelle album is being snubbed more or less across the board
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link
someone should do some analytics on first-half / second-half of year release date breakdowns for EOY placements
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
What would a surprising list from a mainstream publication even look like in 2018?
lots of women over 35― maura
Hi guys, if 2019's ILX EOY doesn't feature my band of five over-35yo women (and one under-35yo woman) I'll kick all yr asses. ^__^
― emil.y, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
the janelle album's only been snubbed by p4k really, it's #1 on this aggregate: https://www.albumoftheyear.org/list/summary/2018/
― ufo, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link
Speaking of women over 35, I didn't see Tracey Thorn's album on the Pitchfork list -- unless I missed it.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:37 (five years ago) link
While we're at it, here are a few excellent 2018 classical releases showcasing works by women over 35:
Anna S. Þorvaldsdóttir - AequaCassandra Miller - Just So: String QuartetsEva-Maria Houben - Breath for OrganLaura Schwendinger - QuartetsLinda Catlin Smith - WandererSarah Nemtsov - Amplified ImaginationSéverine Ballon - InconnaissanceSuzanne Farrin - La dolce morte
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:39 (five years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4f/Celine_Dion_Live_2018_Official_Photo.jpg/250px-Celine_Dion_Live_2018_Official_Photo.jpg
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
yay!!! it’s my number one already and i haven’t even heard a note
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
I only count 4 men definitively over 35 on the Pfork list (Kamasi, DJ Koze, Jon Hopkins, Alan of Low)
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
and no Soto you did not miss Tracey, she's not there
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
celine dion looks so much like liz phair in that photo!
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
(she also had a single from the Deadpool 2 soundtrack btw, so that's a shoo-in for the singles poll)
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link
the old geezer quotient is definitely down this year
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
surely young people have generally been doing more interesting stuff in popular music than old people? there's more young musicians than old musicians too afaik (at least at the rehearsal spaces I've been to)
― niels, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
I think it's safe to say that has always been the case.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
You must not live in NYC
― big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, December 11, 2018 10:43 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Pusha
― big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
Well spotted.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
The guys from Sleep have to be too
― big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link
I just remembered there was a Tune-Yards album this year and it's nowhere to be seen on even the most half-heartedly compiled indie list.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link
came out in january to lukewarm reviews--not a good formula for year-end lists
― big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
Victoria Legrand of Beach House is 37, Jon Hopkins is 39
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link
(ok Hopkins already named)
Over-40s though...
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
Pitchfork and many other lists seem mostly uninterested in largely young people genres like kpop and afrobeats, plus genres with young & old like dancehall, reggaeton, Afropop and soca.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
as someone who votes in a lot of lists and frequently enjoys kpop and afrobeats tracks -- it's less that I don't enjoy them, more that I don't listen to enough to feel comfortable making a judgment that this is the best of the year and not the 200 I've never heard.
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
where is the love for gaz coombes?
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:15 (five years ago) link
see also: sting and shaggy
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link
Elza Soares is 81 and she'll be in the higher part of my year list. Come at me.
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link
oh shit, did she have another new one out?
― my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link
Over-35yo woman Brandi Carlile got a Grammy Nomination and on the NYT Jon Caramanica made a big deal about how out of touch it made the awards look
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link
on the NYT Popcast that is
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:19 (five years ago) link
"surely young people have generally been doing more interesting stuff in popular music than old people?"
this sort of ageism (as well as the carlile moaning cited above) does nobody any good
― maura, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:20 (five years ago) link
― Siegbran, Tuesday, December 11, 2018 11:08 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Pusha, Sleep, Neneh, Cat Power, Low
― big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link