guys.. is this album the UR-text for this??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JkT3p6H4Ws
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 10:44 (five years ago) link
Huh, maybe!
― It's like an Christian pop (thewufs), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 10:53 (five years ago) link
the way she says "boulevard" is extremely this thread
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 11:17 (five years ago) link
Billie Holiday's "God Bless the Child" feels like the oldest precedent to me.
― eva logorrhea (bendy), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:09 (five years ago) link
This woman is one of my favorite YouTube music people and she's got a long video about this phenomenon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNtonlvglu8
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:16 (five years ago) link
maybe not directly related to this but folk singers and buskers who overemphasise that sort of Irish/West Country olde worlde accent feels like a sort of precursor to this
― frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link
I feel like Karen Dalton is at the root of the folkier side of indie voice, also like Rickie Lee Jones she is amazing
(I think partially she was really on drugs bad and lost her teeth early on)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsYHN7eCCtU
― No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link
I know Newsome is a big fan
― No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:18 (five years ago) link
one of the most irritating things in the recent bad film VOX LUX is that the main character is depicted as singing like this as a rising teen star circa 1999-2001, when absolutely nobody was singing like this iirc. the songs were all written by sia but they didn't have to be sung that way, surely!
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, December 11, 2018 10:38 AM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol I haven't seen it (probably won't) but if I do now this is going to bug me
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:15 (five years ago) link
Immediately thought of the way Carly Rae Jepsen sings the word "got" in the line "I've got 'em too" in Boy Problems.
― J. Sam, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
i really don't recommend the film though i know some people are viewing it as an interesting/ambitious failure. for me it was just a mess. i would also put some heavy trigger warnings re: gun violence and trauma on the front end of it fwiw. but this inability to show any verisimilitude re: turn-of-the-00s pop was what drove my ILMy brain batty.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
― J. Sam, Tuesday, December 11, 2018 11:25 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's a Sia vocalization I think -- I wrote a piece for NPR about this but a lot of this can be traced to Sia writing a lot of pop songs, enough that people emulate her
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
Tori Amos definitely an early vector for this, though - I remember being baffled by her pronunciation of "watchword" as "wyechword" in "Cornflake Girl" in 1994.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
Lol, yes.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DD7VIKZnGA
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
Leave Ellen Greene the hell out of this
― kinder, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:39 (five years ago) link
A lot of the examples given I couldn't hear what the big deal was tbh. Anyway try listening to Mick Jagger - diphthongs, triphthongs, bizarre phrasing, outlandish accent etc etc.
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:38 (five days ago) Permalink
I always just took this to be a cartoonishly bad (and slightly offensive) attempt at sounding african american
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
(...)if you were singing 'good' over two notes it's easy to naturally change the second sound as you lift the pitch?
This is basically all I hear happening in the Selena G. song (which is not to deny the existence of this "indie girl singer" affectation, or whatever it may be).
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link
I'm no singer; but just trying it out here in my quiet office, I don't know how I would stretch "go-od" into two syllables and not change the pitch on the 2nd one.
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
xp ^^ yeah the chorussy bit of that is what I was referring to. But earlier on (around 25s in) there are more grating 'guoid's (and 'toech')
― kinder, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
― J. Sam, Tuesday, December 11, 2018 10:25 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
me too! she makes it three syllables long in the part at the end!!
― crüt, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link
It is completely possible to sing a melisma without changing the vowel sound wtf.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:41 (five years ago) link
I am completely able to sing two pitches on "good" without turning it into "goo-yid".
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:42 (five years ago) link
You are very likely a better singer than me!
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:44 (five years ago) link
Not that I'm a singer but xp ha
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:44 (five years ago) link
Eyyyem ah veyrr guoid singehhhh
― frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 10:11 (five years ago) link
Hah this thread has set me off on a Rickie Lee Jones voyage of discovery, and damn - how the fuck did I miss her for 36 years?
― It's like an Christian pop (thewufs), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 11:03 (five years ago) link
she's the greatest :)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:29 (five years ago) link