I had a print of Impression (Sunrise) on my college dorm wall. It’s probably still my favorite painting. How tiny the figure in the foreground is compared to the smokestacks in the distance. The palpable haze. No image, for me, collapses the distance between the 19th century and our era like that one, not even a photo. Ironically it was his interest in formal questions—how to capture visual experience, versus how to represent an era, which is more Manet’s bag—that allowed him to achieve this in such a loose oil sketch.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, December 10, 2018 11:36 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i rly like this post, treeship -- it's one of my favorite paintings too, and i think its radicalness still comes across: you can easily imagine how startling it must have been to see in 1872. i've been meaning to find a good print of it for years.
a friend in the bay area texted me a picture of the smoke-filled sky, with the sun just an orange blot, a few weeks ago, and i confess my guilty instant gut-reaction thought was not "oh god that must be scary to be in" but "oh hey that looks just like the sun in impression: sunrise."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:56 (five years ago) link
the pro Manet examples so far are all really hackneyed A level art staples, despite some posters being wowed by them! I did A level art night classes in another lifetime, and am underwhelmed by ILX tonight I'm afraid!
― calzino, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:01 (five years ago) link
you think a bar at the folies-bergère is hackneyed?
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:03 (five years ago) link
I'm underwhelmed by myself as usual of course, but I thought I love art might be a bit superior to this!
― calzino, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:03 (five years ago) link
i'm voting monet, but manet has his masterpieces imo, and he does let us see a different side of paris.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:05 (five years ago) link
i do think the ennui evinced by his figures can seem a little clichéd now.. sorta like, "lost in translation"-ish, portraying an idea of modernity that we have seen so much. however, some of these paintings are over 150 years old!
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:07 (five years ago) link
I have a fondness for Manet but I just image searched and god he was terrible pre Impressionism: https://arthistoryproject.com/site/assets/files/6085/edouard_manet_-_fishing-la_peche_1863_oil-on-canvas_7680x12320mm_metropolitan_museum_of_art.jpg
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:13 (five years ago) link
what year was that?
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:13 (five years ago) link
Manet, but then I like indistinct paintings of nature
― Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:42 (five years ago) link
(Monet, I meant, sigh)
― Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:43 (five years ago) link
xxp Treesh 1869 I think? Unless there was an Édouard Manet senior.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:43 (five years ago) link
1863 rather
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:44 (five years ago) link
huh that's not that earlier than like olympia. but yeah, i agree it's trash
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link
huh, same year as Déjeuner sur l'herbe, does not compute. Must have been a crappy sketch.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:10 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 31 December 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
Manet all the way Manet!
― So, This Leaked (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 31 December 2018 00:36 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
Unexpected!
― 💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 00:02 (five years ago) link
I actually think Monet was the more radical artist but I think he suffers from poster prints of his work being hung in all sorts of lobbies.
― 💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 00:04 (five years ago) link
on reflection, i actually think it is rather absurd that manet won this
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 11 January 2019 15:39 (five years ago) link
Monet was better on reflections
― Josefa, Friday, 11 January 2019 15:47 (five years ago) link
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2219118120= Monet & Turner's impressionism was just a realistic depiction of the smog they saw.
― StanM, Friday, 3 February 2023 06:38 (one year ago) link
- for certain paintings
― ledge, Friday, 3 February 2023 09:11 (one year ago) link
i like the scientific thoroughness they bring to the table but it seems like an uncontroversial thesis.
― ledge, Friday, 3 February 2023 09:12 (one year ago) link
Plus Monet had cataracts
― Alba, Friday, 3 February 2023 10:42 (one year ago) link
OK I see the authors address that issue in the paper
― Alba, Friday, 3 February 2023 10:43 (one year ago) link
I went to the Courtauld the other day, for the first time in ages - I'd forgotten that The Bar at the Folies-Bergere was there. It was a shock to find myself face-to-face with it, and there's something uncanny about seeing the original of an image that well-known, it's hard to look at it properly, felt like staring at one of those images of a human face with four eyes, or something.
― Tim, Friday, 3 February 2023 10:57 (one year ago) link
Yeah going to the Musee d’Orsay was one after the other “I know that one” followed by major discoveries (to me) like Monet’s painting of his dead wife—just after her death.
― Alicia Silver Stone (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 3 February 2023 13:48 (one year ago) link
I just saw a Degas v. Manet contest exhibition - apparently they were very competitive with each other irl - which Degas narrowly won (imo). A pity Degas was an anti-Semitic dick though
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:02 (eleven months ago) link