"Baby It's Cold Outside" -- Holiday Song? Rapey?

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As a different sort of “appeal to authority”: what do the detractors think of every woman artist who has ever recorded this song; even just those in the “modern era,” from Bette Midler to Dolly Parton to Lady Gaga to Norah Jones to Idina Menzel to Fantasia to Zooey Deschanel (twice)... not to mention all the male artists? Are all these singers taken to be either deluded as to the song’s “true meaning”; or aware of it, and callously willing to perform a vile duet for the $$?

The spiked/not spiked interpretation should be a litmus test... for what I don’t know.

There is no way that drink was spiked. Whether it’s good to treat the practice of plying hesitant women with alcohol as a joke is a separate question.

I do think she is supposed to be “playing along” but you know the trope is not great.

If it's to be interpreted about a woman's sense of self-shame and how society casts morality values on sexual liberation then its still a pretty joyless listen and I dont understand why anyone would want to buy into that

For sure

Why is the listener “buying into” anything, necessarily?

I find most holiday songs to be fairly “joyless listens”; this one at least has a friction that makes it interesting.

I think it’s a joy to listen to.

i can't believe we still have to see these fucking thinkpieces like 5 years after this thread was started

new borad description plz

Twenty years from now, kids listening to "Baby it's cold outside" are gonna find it really, really weird.

We're gonna have to explain that it has to be understood in the context of its time.

You see, it used to get cold outside.

— Zi Teng Wang (@Zi_W) December 10, 2018

Sad lols

<i>i can't believe we still have to see these fucking thinkpieces like 5 years after this thread was started/<i>

because clickbait

That's *their* excuse

Wow: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4941087

(Ceeb reversed their decision, citing audience reaction.)

I'm just dropping by to reiterate my confusion as to why the word "rapey" needs to exist.

I have no idea if I responded to it way back in 2013, but Hurting's three-item refutation of the word was OTM.

As for the song itself, I've cooled on it - it is certainly creepier to me since it became the subject of an ongoing discussion.

xxp A Bay Area station has done the same: http://www.ktvu.com/news/san-francisco-radio-station-brings-back-controversial-baby-it-s-cold-outside-

listeing to the updated version of the "baby its cold outside" song where the guy's trying to convince the woman to leave so he can jack off

— wint (@dril) December 12, 2018

Lol came here to post that

Baby I ordered you a Lyft

— Ambassador to South Africa Lana Marxist (@andymosk) December 12, 2018

Front page of the NY Times today! quoting Wm Shatner, no less.

i'm waiting to see if this culture can get any more pedantically boring

'Tis the season!

https://pitchfork.com/news/john-legend-rewrites-controversial-lyrics-from-baby-its-cold-outside/

god damn it

halloween hasn't even been yet fuck

Halloween’s kind of rapey too, come to think of it.

my new hot take: this song isn't rapey enough

Is ‘Rape Me’ a holiday song?

It is cold outside tbf

“What will my friends think...” sings Clarkson.
“I think they should rejoice,” Legend responds.
“... if I have one more drink?”
“It’s your body, and your choice.”

Smooth.

thread needs more pharaohe monch.

Telling a woman who's over for a drink "It's your body, and your choice" seems more creepy than "please stay."

it seems like the dumb articles about this song come out earlier & earlier each year

when i was a kid they didnt start putting out the holiday clickbait until the weekend after thanksgiving

I wish Two Sleepy People took over from BICO as Loesser's holiday classic. It's such a better song.

“What will my friends think...” sings Clarkson.
“I think they should rejoice,” Legend responds.
“... if I have one more drink?”
“It’s your body, and your choice.”
Smooth.

― jmm, Tuesday, October 29, 2019 10:25 AM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

god this is like a parody of a millennial PC rewriting of the song that a boomer would come up with

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fwiw, I always thought Simply Having a Wonderful Christmas Time sounded like a father in denial trying to enforce a fun atmosphere in a dysfunctional family

just something about the frenzied tone and pacing of it

imo all christmas songs are oppressive + offensive as it christmas itself being as how it celebrates the birth of a jewish heretic in whose names millions of jews were murdered + forcibly converted

Up on the housetop, reindeer paws
Here comes castle doctrine law
Down through the chimney, to his surprise
Papa put one between his eyes

you scumbag, you maggot
you old crumbly baguette

I forget, did we discuss the version where "what's in this drink" is answered "pomegranate La Croix"?

Pronounced pah-ma-GRAN-it la-CROY

Dude I respect the intent but there are three words there and two of them are not pronounced in an idiomatic fashion. Go back to the drawing board. Songwriting is not a new art and there are, like, standards.

lacroix, as in the band of sparkling drink, is pronounced la croy