Is the West Experiencing a Left-Wing Drift? (the international left politics activism, news, and strategy thread)

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just saw a picture of Bhaskar's "Socialist Manifesto" book and died of mortification

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link

promoted tweet in my TL:

Haha, mine too

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link

very legal and very general

macropuente (map), Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:18 (five years ago) link

hamno...........................today i say hamyes

https://splinternews.com/bernie-dont-run-1830983072

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link

Here is what Bernie Sanders should do: endorse a Democratic presidential candidate who will best carry on his own ideas. I don’t really give a damn who it is. Warren, or Kamala Harris, or Sherrod Brown,


at least 66% ungood choices there afaict

has there been a decent profile of sherrod brown somewhere

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link

yeah i think he's picking bad names out of the hat but the thrust of 'i am legitimately afraid of democratic politics coming apart at the seams if we have a 2016 10x' is one i agree with

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link

yeah, Bernie's lack of a clear political heir who's anywhere near as interested in building a robust international left is my only hesitancy with respect to Nolan's sentiment here

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link

buddy can we worry about the international left in maybe the next election cycle after this one

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link

I know you're technically the international left but one thing at a time ffs

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link

ty

technically the international left but one (darraghmac), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link

yes, if there’s one thing we have wrt to building an international left coalition, it’s time - and lots of it

I think the point might be that there isn't much use in an intl left coalition of parties that aren't in power

rob, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link

I mean like "will convene the Fourth International" is just not realistically on my list of requests for a nominee for president of the United godforsaken States in 2020, I'd happily accept a whole lot less

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link

sure, best not to try at all and instead offer a limp centrist alternative that offers no solutions to crippling systemic problems, that’s definitely not a strategy that had all but doomed the planet xp

when one of the two or three most popular and consistently, broadly liked politicians in the country wants to do this very thing, it's really not that huge a demand

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link

lol I am not arguing for centrism...those aren't the only two options here! I just more or less agree with Nolan's take

maybe a more constructive and sincere way to put this: Simon, what the hell can we (not that I can vote) do in Canada to establish an intl left?

rob, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link

that's a very good question that would be easier to answer if we had any elected representatives who cared at all about doing that. (I did join the NDP just to vote for Ashton, but she went nowhere.) I think in many ways we're actually more politically backwards than the US tb, it says a lot that many younger Cdn leftists I've spoken to were spurred on by Sanders or Corbyn, and seemingly none by...any Canadian figures

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-46510776 Anti-Deportation protestors found guilty.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link

ugh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link

their offences (‘offences’) carry a maximum sentence of life in prison btw

yeah i think he's picking bad names out of the hat but the thrust of 'i am legitimately afraid of democratic politics coming apart at the seams if we have a 2016 10x' is one i agree with

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, December 10, 2018 1:33 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

word. i know people say it's going to be a brokered convention and it's never a brokered convention, but didn't something about the primary setup change to increase the likelihood of this in 2020? something like california giving their delegates proportionally?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link

superdelegates were effectively abolished, is that maybe what you're thinking of

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link

democrats are genetically incapable of passing/producing anything better than "green capitalism" and all the interventions in the world won't change that

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 14 December 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link

i suspect cooperation jackson would quibble with you about what's possible

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 December 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link

loved this last piece:

Sarah: To what extent were front-lines environmental justice groups consulted about the Green New Deal?

Kali: As an individual I was not consulted, but I think it’s a two-way street, because I also didn’t do much to help her get elected. The natural inclination is you’re going to listen to the folks who support you. The political trade off, whether we like it or not, is that you listen to those who put skin in the game to help you. That’s a reality we need to start with. Whether or not Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez reaches out, we have an obligation to tap her on her shoulder and say some of these ideas are terrible, here’s why, here are alternatives, here are examples of what the alternative looks like in practice—you can elevate them and use them as a model. That’s our task on the left—to intervene in that particular way. It’s not a question of whether or not she will listen: She’s an elected official, and we have move her to listen through the force of our organizing initiatives. We have to struggle with her to make sure she votes in the broadest interests possible, since she’s trying to lead this on a national level.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 December 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link

also i hadn't seen this posted in here, really valuable comparative look at the competing approaches to changing medicare in the house that left me pleasantly surprised with where the CAP draft approach lands:

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/13/18103087/democrats-universal-health-care-sanders-jayapal

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 December 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link

perhaps my political imagination is simply too limited, but I am loath to disregard the fact that they have produced anticapitalist legislation precisely zero times xxp

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 14 December 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link

you can absolutely pressure them to do better and that's a laudable and worthwhile goal but at the end of the day they are capitalists

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 14 December 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link

I don’t think anybody “is” a capitalist

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 14 December 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link

Like people say they “are” ideologically capitalist but it’s not the same as being a socialist or a conservative or whatever

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 14 December 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link

This is pure thoughtlording on my part tho, I will never read a book

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 14 December 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link

I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about a political organization with formal ties to corporate interests.

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 14 December 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link

That's why a self-described socialist like AOC (who I think I've made clear I have some level of admiration for) can come in and push for reforms and that won't change the party's underlying nature. I'm not suggesting that some iteration of the GND wouldn't be something worthwhile, by all means go for it, but the Democratic Party, barring some fundamental reorganization that effectively transforms them into a totally different creature, are opponents to, ideally, be vanquished.

I know I issue this caveat all the time but: holy fuck I would love to be wrong about this

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link

Right I mean the point I'm making is not that I expect the Democratic Party to fly the red and black, but that using the institution of the Democratic Party to shift the political horizon is possible and (thanks to America's first-past-the-post approach to elections) the most viable option for the existing mechanisms of power to be bent towards radical ends. Which is among the lessons of Chokwe Lumumba and Cooperation Jackson, bearing in mind the latter's self-criticisms of this approach, e.g.

The political dynamics are not the same as they were three or four years ago. Back then, we - specifically the New Afrikan People’s Organization, the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement, and the Jackson People’s Assembly - very much appealed to a broad cross-section of people in Jackson, and so we had a popular-front type of orientation and campaign. You’re talking about a city that is 85% Black, so most of that front was other Black people. We built a multi-class alliance in Jackson to win the election. The thing that was critical for Chokwe’s election for mayor was making sure that there was a significant Black working class turnout; that was the critical thing. That was going to stem the tide and break the normal flow and operation of the traditional Black petit bourgeois forces that had been deciding the electoral outcomes in Jackson. At that time, it was very easy to build a multi-class alliance, based in the Black working class forces in the city. This time around it’s going to be significantly different. For the 2017 Mayoral election we are not going to be able to rely on that same formulation, that multi-class formation, for Chokwe Antar Lumumba’s, Chokwe’s youngest son, campaign. Too many of those forces now have really given their pledges to Hillary, and they’ve bought into the reorganization of the Democratic Party that has happened since 2013 here in Jackson. Chokwe ran within the Democratic primary but from an oppositional place within the party structure which exists here in Mississippi. He ran as a member of Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party, which still exists as a separate entity, and it still has the ballot access it won in the 1960s. But outside of a couple counties close to the Mississippi river, it’s mostly functioned as a political club, and not so much as an organized political force. Chokwe’s election turned it into a political force. O

ne of the things that happened since Chokwe died (and honestly it started happening even while he was alive) was that the Democrats at the national level wanted to cut it off, because it was an organized left political force within the party. So they did a lot of organizing, and they spent more money in Jackson in the last five years than they did in the last fifty years, trying to re-consolidate their power. That’s put some of the traditional forces that were close to us in 2012 - 2013 opposition to us. We’re in a context where it’s easy to be critical of what Obama has been doing over the last couple of years. We’ve been very vocal about that. That’s put us in opposition to some of the established Black petit bourgeois forces that are aligned with him and national Democratic Party. Things may change over the next few weeks and months, we’ll see. But at this point, our movements electoral salvation if you will, depends squarely on the Black working class vote.

http://archive.organizingupgrade.com/index.php/strategylabs/2016-elections/item/1055-can-we-be-a-counter-force?-reflections-from-kali-akuno-on-the-current-moment

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link

The problem is always trying to do something (good) that the system isn't structured for. It takes so much effort to force something against the grain of the existing structure.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 14 December 2018 21:44 (five years ago) link

^ why i haven't voted green in 14 years

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 December 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link

Asked if he’s a progressive, @BetoORourke says, ‘I don’t know.’ He’s not big on labels, he says pic.twitter.com/gDczpTZ2Bb

— David Siders (@davidsiders) December 14, 2018

really a better fit for the Dem strategy thread but I lol'd

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 14 December 2018 22:00 (five years ago) link

my guy, lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 December 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link

cogent thoughts on nationalizing various industries:
- coal
- oil
- steel

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link

(in the US, i should say)

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link

Modernity is weird:

https://jacobinmag.com/2018/12/yellow-vests-pamela-anderson-france-macron

Pamela Anderson on Europe’s Turmoil

AN INTERVIEW WITH
PAMELA ANDERSON SREĆKO HORVAT

Pamela Anderson spoke to Jacobin and philosopher Srećko Horvat about the protests in France, the crisis in the European Union, and her own activism.

This seems like a panel lineup from the Dick Cavett Show

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 17 December 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link

amazing

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 17 December 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link

how many people do we think Pamela Anderson could feasibly murder

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 December 2018 21:27 (five years ago) link

Depends on the place, depends on the time

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 17 December 2018 23:17 (five years ago) link

lmaooooooooo the hits, they keep coming

21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 02:46 (five years ago) link

Bearing in mind my prior comments about the problems of political personality cults, I hope the photo becomes a meme I love it

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 02:46 (five years ago) link


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