GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

Sounsa like Lena means that the guy accused told her stuff that wasn’t true. Headline is bad.

Yeah, but she said she had privileged information which proved it wasn't true. She now admits she made that up.

Think it through a bit more. I know he’s known for ironic posts but there’s a clear joke there and he makes fun of group think among people he politically agrees with all the time.

“While our first instinct is to listen to every woman’s story, our insider knowledge of Murray’s situation makes us confident that sadly this accusation is one of the 3 percent of assault cases that are misreported every year,” they wrote, concluding, “We stand by Murray and this is all we’ll be saying about this issue.”
Read more: https://forward.com/schmooze/415469/lena-dunham-apologizes-admits-she-lied-to-discredit-alleged-rape-victim/

“I didn’t have the ‘insider information’ I claimed but rather blind faith in a story that kept slipping and changing and revealed itself to mean nothing at all,”
Read more: https://forward.com/schmooze/415469/lena-dunham-apologizes-admits-she-lied-to-discredit-alleged-rape-victim/

Xp not really

Think it through a bit more. I know he’s known for ironic posts but there’s a clear joke there and he makes fun of group think among people he politically agrees with all the time.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, December 6, 2018 12:06 PM (eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

his online personality is from the POV - feigned or real - of a trad cath and stalinist. he pillories the dsa regularly, usually in a clearly playful, but consistent manner

Yeah that means she believed her friend

no you are bad at reading

what does “I didn’t have the ‘insider information’ I claimed" mean in fucking centrist moron language?

She’s not coming back Jim

Xp “my friend privately assured me it wasn’t true”

i feel like literally every single one of her myopic fuckups was eminently avoidable

xp. “I didn’t have the ‘insider information’ I claimed but rather blind faith"

Probably

Her ability to repeatedly kick herself in the junk is incredible.

Okay. “I believed my friend who privately assured me it wasn’t true” . “she made up stuff” is reaching.

She misrepresented the quality of the information she had, implying it was more than just a private assurance. It was bad so she apologized.

if you're going to defend her at least read what it actually says nerdstrom. She admitted that she lied. She claimed to have some kind of specific knowledge that she didn't actually have.

if nerdstrom isn't 51'd some day soon I'm going to... do nothing at all

fp'd myself for troll feeding

That’s very big of you Jim I appreciate that

ironic revive given that I just re-watched the #metoo GIRLS episode (which was better than I remembered it tbh)

was one of the best girls episodes imo, like many of the eps where dunham gets the writing credit

the final shot of this parade of women going up to the guy's door was v good and maybe the only time the show deviated from its commitment to realism...?

this is the thread where i finally agree nerdstrom is gabnebb

speaking of Dunham I'd been kind of enjoying Camping which she produces and cowrites and just learned that this was a UK show first. But I seem to be unable to find the British version in any streaming services or even in a torrent. Is it available anywhere?

I couldn't make it through the first episode of that. Had no idea there was a UK version.

The, actually good, UK version is on dailymotion (and seemingly nowhere else)

Search username 'couchtripper'

But I seem to be unable to find the British version in any streaming services or even in a torrent.

It was made for Sky Atlantic, so is probably exclusive to their streaming service (which possibly only runs on hardware that you have to order from them in the UK?)

you can stream it illegally though

xpost, had this tab open for an hour

i haven't seen camping (uk) but julia davis is a genius

I'm still surprised no one stole it off Sky while running and threw files up on torrent sites though. Ok well this will work.

US version is not so bad though Jennifer Garner is the worst thing about it. Jennifer Lewis is amusing.

yeah, I couldn't take how insufferable Garner was

she's not suppose to be likable in any way shape or form so in that respect it works but still.

IDG the point of wholly unlikeable protagonists. Seems like it's just a defense mechanism for not actually knowing how to write a likeable protagonist.

the only goal of a writing a protagonist is not likeability? it can also be an effective protagonist if you recognize yourself in them, and it's a unique type of success if you can make a wholly unlikeable character that your audience sees themself in. i'm not here to defend girls (altho i guess i liked parts of it) but the "why unlikeable protagonists" thing is a bit of a bugbear, like wishing everyone in wrestling was a babyface or something

IDK where I said "the only goal of writing a protagonist is likeability." But "wholly unlikeable" is not something I want to see very often. It seems very navel-gazing to write too many protagonists like that, basically reveling in your moral faults.

julia davis writes very black comedy and her characters are often horrible. i don't know if it will translate to american tv tbh. cf. how much more likable Michael Scott in the Office (US) is versus David Brent in the Office (UK).

I don't watch the US Office, but I kind of don't think of those characters as "protagonists."

But even the shows where you "laugh at" the assholes wear on me after a while. I guess I liked David Brent because he had a tragic quality. But I'm sort of tired of the "everyone's a self-involved asshole" formula for shows that seems to descend from Seinfeld through Arrested Development (even though that show was at times very funny) to Transparent, and maybe also It's Always Sunny from what I've heard (haven't watched).

it's always sunny is very much like the next level after seinfeld

it's also better than Seinfeld

Curb >>>

There's probably a better thread for this but has anyone been watching the Julia Davis show "Sally4ever" on HBO? Last episode was something else

the poo one? that's where I stopped while binging this last night. I didn't think it was possible for me to still be shocked by something

Yep that's the one

I haven't read the thread yet but I just finished the Girls. Started around Xmas. I watched the first season when it aired in 2012 but never saw anything else - not out of disinterest just circumstance, but also Lena Dunham's public persona and infinite controversies were so overwhelming and a comparable body of work in their own right that I felt too distracted to watch the show on its own terms. I'm so glad I waited two years after it ended to come back and go through the whole show. I didn't watch any of the making of segments or commentary or read along in here.

A few things - it's the show of the decade, a key millennial text that will endure for decades, and Hannah Horvath is among the most deftly written characters I've ever encountered (and deeply sympathetic while often objectively despicable - this is a great achievement). I started noticing the direction about halfway through the show, and one shot in particular, from I think the first episode of season four, where Hannah and Marnie embrace on the floor, the way Dunham cut and framed them was straight out of Bergman. A few weeks later I saw her Criterion Top 10 and sure enough Through a Glass Darkly was on there, with a typically inexplicable and unintentionally hilarious comment: "Like for many Americans, incest is a rough area for me. I just have a natural aversion to it."

I prefer not to think of her public persona, her rich kid ignorance and blinding narcissism, because I don't think she's succeeded as a provocateur in that realm. Almost everything she's done or said or been embroiled in has hurt her work and made more people turn away and even more people - including myself - not even bother because it was all too much to take. But now the dust has settled and she's kept a relatively low profile since the show ended and I could watch it with an even head. And I loved it. The writing, the direction, the performances - all consistently stellar. And what an accomplishment in Hannah and her characterization. She's the only one who "figured it out" and grew up, and it happened as soon as she decided to keep the baby. How awful the rest of them seemed in comparison, still so feckless and desperate and caught up in petty dramas - Hannah is the one that grows up. Marnie is a fucking psychopath and I don't like that she was in the last episode, "I'm your best friend - I WON!" - I'm surprised Hannah didn't kick her out then. Shoshana found her people and she's right, these women have nothing in common any more. I assumed Jessa would end up lost, but Adam's devolution was surprising I suppose, and that last episode with them was heartbreaking and masterfully done (of course she made the right decision - and that this could all be expressed without a single word - oh my god!).

Despite that demon Marnie leeching off Hannah and "winning" in the end, I'm happy where it ended up. Hannah is the only one that gets it and succeeded- Marnie is clearly out of her mind, Shosh and Jessa sort of get it but seemed doomed to repeat their mistakes (Shosh met her fiancé what, a month ago?).

Hannah singing "Fast Car" to her child alone - I wept, because I believe it, I believe they'll make it, it'll be really hard but I believe they'll make it. Few could've written a character as complex, frustrating, impulsive, narcissistic, and irresponsible as Hannah Horvath and move her to a place where you trust her with a child on her own. What a show. Thank You Lena

I think it depends on who you are relative to the main protagonist(s). I watched up until the the surf lessons/sex instructor episode and I was done in by laziness. You see brilliance, I saw the last of my upper most inner eyelids.

It was indeed fresher when it was releases in the moment.

felt like the second to last episode would have been a better ending

I know there was a baby plotline near the end and I really was terribly, completely over it by hearing that,. So lazy, so self indulgent.