there are no moral obligations hows thatthere are moral obligations to the same extent that there are legal obligations. it's a personal choice to follow them, but if you choose not to the community may punish you. of course the legal community's punishments are stricter and more coercively applied than the moral community's.
― Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Thursday, 6 December 2018 07:52 (nine months ago) link
GET IT TOGETHER ILX
― j., Thursday, 6 December 2018 08:00 (nine months ago) link
Basically I find any suggestion that nonhuman animals are interchangeable with humans as moral subjects to be offensive and also wrong.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:35 (nine months ago) link
I'm stuck on the pure veganism people due to a friend explaining that a local dude who is semi-prominent in some circles, who talks about the morality of veganism, going on about how he shouldn't need health insurance. Because he's not old, vegan, and has a really good motorcycle insurance policy. So there's no chance he'd have a need for a lot of medical spending.
I mean ideally 99% of people with health insurance would have that profile, that's why it's insurance but... mote in my brother's eye etc
― mh, Friday, 7 December 2018 02:41 (nine months ago) link
just for that i would commit acts of violence against him, but thats just me
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:42 (nine months ago) link
lots of very left-wing people are very averse to veganism and get upset about it. my favourite one i ever got - and i never, ever proselytized when i was vegan - (obviously from a fucking white person) was some concern about it being a colonialist mindset because first nations peoples' traditional ways of life include hunting and fishing, using the whole animal etc. and the very obvious rejoinder was "you're white lol and I'm not telling indigenous people to stop their very responsible stewardship of their traditional lands i just think you, white person, should maybe consume less animal products"
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:43 (nine months ago) link
look if you're not eating the tongue and the cheeks then kill your children then yourself
― biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 02:46 (nine months ago) link
xxp but he is vegan, which clears his moral concerns including social interests lol
― mh, Friday, 7 December 2018 03:55 (nine months ago) link
xp aside: Most of the reason I have health insurance is so that I don't get charged the cash payer price. Emergency rooms in the US, especially, will demand charges drawn from thin air for anyone who doesn't have corporate negotiators working on their behalf.
― Sanpaku, Friday, 7 December 2018 06:47 (nine months ago) link
do any noninsured e.r. bills get paid though?
― rip van wanko, Friday, 7 December 2018 06:57 (nine months ago) link
the "I'm a very responsible person" argument completely fails when you realize insurance (in the ideal case, admittedly our insurance system is really broken) is there for the cases where you'd really have no way to pay. like, surprise! you're the one 35 year old in hundreds of thousands who has some weird cancer and treating it costs $$$
or you get hit by a car and no one can find the driver, or... really a million possibilities
― mh, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:00 (nine months ago) link