thank you, the way you put that makes a lot of sense!
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipUoRpVK32s&t=177s
this is not a bad explanation either
― meaulnes, Thursday, 6 December 2018 12:42 (five years ago) link
I get Nyman's definition.
I've always taken-away from "experimental" the meaning that "some of this performance will consist of very deliberate fucking around with unpredictable results"-- not the same as improvisation, but rather the opposite-- the composer/performer will engage in a process that allows for an unpredictable outcome, a controlled loss-of-control.
As for "avant-garde" I just relate it to the traditional pre-20th c. version of what I think it means. The composition will deliberately subvert the notion of composition in order to make an oblique statement and/or commentary on the nature of composition itself (and society etc.)
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link
Improvised - musicians have meticulously trained themselves to be able to make shit up on the spot and make it great and do so in controlled environments with well-tuned instruments.
Experimental - bored of improvising, musicians will subvert their training by performing improvised music while running through an area deemed unsafe, due to radioactivity
Avant-Garde - I carry the corpse of the now-deceased musician to the concert hall and dump it on the stage while whistling "Figaro" and take a bow to wild applause
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
My understanding mirrors fgti's. 'Experimental' loosely implies the scientific method, whereas 'avant-garde' is a bellicose, combative stance, whether aesthetic or political (oftentimes both).
― pomenitul, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link