what conclusion in the song would have been non-mocking, in your opinion?
The conclusion is fine. The children are what brings her back; that's actually nice. It's the portrayal I see as demeaning and somewhat sarcastic. Davies saw himself as a social critic.
― timellison, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:26 (five years ago) link
ray is absolutely not...
"Absolutely not" - the final word, then?
― timellison, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:28 (five years ago) link
and here i thought you had the final word with "i have explained myself enough."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:33 (five years ago) link
Love you guys anyway
― timellison, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link
Also not a fan of "clutch empty milk bottles to their hearts" btw
I have a controversial music question...
I haven't listened, and I'm not qualified to really judge either way, but would Lil Peep be rated as highly right now if he hadn't died?
― Evan, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
i thought he was super important before he died so... it wouldn't be the same but yeah
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
OK thanks. I really had no idea!
― Evan, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
yeah if anything he hasn't gotten the due he deserves in death, he died too young for a true martyr bump
― flappy bird, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
all the lil rappers are bad
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
(taking this back to real controversial content)
who was the first lil rapper anyway, lil bow wow?
kim!?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
Lil Kim that is
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link
idk Lil Bow Wow is '93 or so, isn't that before her?
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:54 (five years ago) link
wiki says his first album was 2000 and he was 13unless he recorded before that?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
Besides, he shed the 'lil' a couple of years later.
― pomenitul, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
lil kim released hard core in 1996, when bow wow was...9so i think she was first of the two but maybe there was another lil before kim that i am forgetting/not aware of
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
There was also Lil' Keke. But I agree with LL, I think Lil Kim was the first.
― pomenitul, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link
Lil' Rodney Cee from the Funky 4 + 1
― Number None, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
Hmm maybe Bow Wow Wow was the reason for confusion! Ha
― Evan, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:10 (five years ago) link
i knew there would be one before her i just am not familiar with who that isthank you ilm
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:12 (five years ago) link
from lil bow wow's wiki
In 1993, he performed at a concert in Los Angeles, and was noticed by rapper Snoop Dogg, who subsequently gave him a stage name, "Lil' Bow Wow".[4]
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
The best album Mick Jones made was B.A.D’s ‘Megatop Phoenix’.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
oh shit that's right! good lookin out
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
hs is great so may have to retract my controversial music opinion
TS: Big Rappers vs. Lil Rappers
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
Soft Machine wasn't truly great until Robert Wyatt left the band
Gong wasn't truly great until Daevid Allen left the band
(I am OK with the idea that these are a coincidences, as I enjoy both Wyatt and Allen quite a bit. But I much prefer the albums without them)
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
There is something pitiable and maybe even tragic about people in their forties and fifties who are still obsessed with the Misfits and the Ramones
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
or shellac and autechre
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
Eh, people are attracted to different things. People could conceivably like the music even if the lyrics don't have significance for them in their forties and fifties.
― timellison, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
I consider everyone on ilx pitiable and tragic
― ogmor, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
is that really a musical opinion
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:31 (five years ago) link
or a controversial one?
― big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
that too
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link
it's top 3 for sure
― sans lep (sic), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link
nothing per se bad abt being pitiable and/or tragic
― massaman gai (front tea for two), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
or vain, erudite and stupid
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:06 (five years ago) link
I always wondered about that title. Does each word describe a specific band member? Bruce is definitely "erudite"
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:10 (five years ago) link
similar question (as long as I'm derailing): was "experimental, jet set, trash and no star" meant to describe the individual members of Sonic Youth? If so, I'd guess Lee, Kim, Thurston, Steve, respectively
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:11 (five years ago) link
p sure Thurston confirmed that explicitly in an interview (at least, that's my memory)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
can't tell if you guys are joking but there's no comma after "experimental" and experimental jet set is a play on words
― Josefa, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
idgi
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:04 (five years ago) link
"Not surprisingly, the title had no single explanation. It was either a play on their alter egos - Ranaldo, Gordon, Moore, and Shelly, respectively - or, as Moore told writer Alec Foege, it was inspired by the time Yoshimi P-We, the drummer of... the Boredoms, was in the company of Moore and Gordon and was approached by autograph-seeking kids. "No - no star!" she said, in broken English."
- David Browne, Goodbye 20th Century: A Biography of Sonic Youth, pp. 267-268
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
I'm still waiting to learn how "experimental jet set" is a play on words
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
That’s a great Yoshimi story
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
I think maybe there was a joke that SY had become the 'experimental jet set' after signing to DGC? I don't see a play on words either.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
I guess because it's a combination of "experimental jet" and "jet set"?
― jmm, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
^ that, yeah
― Josefa, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
The Kinks 1964-1971 > The Beatles
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 15 December 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link
agree
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 15 December 2018 22:51 (five years ago) link