Shocking plagiarism

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Yesterday I stayed up most of the night binge-reading the Lost Media Wiki. Two days ago however I decided to check out the old rumours that James Horner not only borrowed heavily from dead Russian composers but also from himself, and I found this thread at JWFan, a John Williams fansite:
http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/20214-the-ultimate-james-horners-plagiarism-list/

It's really bitchy! I like that.

Exhibit 1a, the twiddly-twiddly bit at the beginning of "Stealing the Enterprise", from Star Trek III, which is right at the start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s5lQ-bGe6c

Exhibit 1b, Prokofiev, "The Death of Tybalt", at 1:30:
https://youtu.be/sz8i68lpBpc?t=90

James Horner often had very little time to write his music, and he had to write a lot of it. On the one hand the idea of interpolating classical themes into music isn't really any different from sampling, and Horner argued that he was quoting works that made sense in context, but on the other hand God smote Horner's aeroplane from the sky and killed him, so there's that.

Ashley Pomeroy, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link

I posted this on a rolling pop thread, but last year the 18 year old pop singer Madison Beer released a single called "Say It To My Face":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCyl9GBlM-M

About 30 seconds in, I was like "wait a sec"... it's a sterilized rip-off of Can's "Vitamin C".

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link

Haha, that's a tricky one!

'Wouldn't it Be Nice" famously quotes a melody from Tchaikovsky and that's never really bothered me because, like Horner, it works within the larger work of the song. Is it a straight copy? Pretty close. Is it still a good song. Yes, obviously.

Albert, that song is atrocious. But I totally hear it. Hilarious.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:11 (five years ago) link

Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcGbJMHwW_s

Rip-off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHQnSeFAGTg

I'd never even considered a famous Chinese pop star could possibly rip off an obscure Welsh-language B-side, yet it happened.

afriendlypioneer, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:30 (five years ago) link

Behold: the awesomeness of music.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link

seven months pass...

sorry to xp, but: holy shit at that Madison Beer / Can thing!

alpine static, Sunday, 21 July 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

The writer of this long 1995 article cribbed (maybe unintentionally?) a then-recent Liz Phair lyric:

At 2 A.M., the sky is gray, the way it is in paperback detective novels.

morrisp, Thursday, 19 March 2020 06:09 (four years ago) link

Did everyone but me know about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp1N0iArsuU

with hidden noise, Thursday, 19 March 2020 07:17 (four years ago) link


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