Literary Clusterfucks 2013

Did she leave twitter because of this?

We should be kind to mistakes but I wouldn't immediately step in and say they people stolen from here can't write some angry tweets about it.

Yeah those people can of course vent.

But the fiercest rhetoric has come from other people chiming in, talking about how shocked they are and how dare anyone make an excuse for this because of the woman’s mental illness you are supporting white supremacy don’t you know et cetera

Like, this girl’s career as a poet is over. Let it go.

Hell is other people, remember.

Yeah. What I am seeing is a bunch of people delighting in someone else’s disgrace—trying to get their kicks in. I don’t think it’s cool.

career as a poet

lol

The other thing is that she didn't deserve to have a career in poetry in the first place, so it's really not a penalty.

i once had ilx posts of mine plagiarized by a lurker and i still feel really weird about it

i’ve also accidentally plagiarized people before bc imo it’s very easy when you’re a writer to unconsciously ingest and repeat other ppl’s ideas unless you’re constantly vigilant

obv none of that’s happening here, this is transparent theft. “flesh off the bones” is of course too much, i think accidental plagiarism happens bc no one’s ideas are special, especially mine etc., and in that particular case no one is losing their bone clothing

i once had ilx posts of mine plagiarized by a lurker and i still feel really weird about it

waht... !!!

i mean i want to be super charitable and suggest that was accidental too, but the same lurker would engage me in conversations about the stuff they were writing about and without fail i'd see my ideas appear in their copy the next day

again not that my ideas are special or meaningful in any way

career as a poet

lmbo

Hobby as a poet then, with chapbooks and readings and the whole deal. That is over for this individual.

"what an injustice, i've been DISINVITED from a PANEL for my horrible behavior"

i think social ostracism hurts. and she definitely deserves that. i just think that, personally, if i was in the scene, i wouldn't be shooting spitballs at someone as security was escorting them out the door.

yeah it's absolutely unnecessary piling on but how long have we been on the internet now?

Finding it weird that this is being discussed as much as it is tbh. Has anyone actually read these poets?

chapbooks and readings are privileges and she rightly lost them, i hope she never gets on twitter again, the end xp

lol i don't think i understand what treeship is getting at beyond "this is bad but also the overreaction to this is bad" which, yes, yes it is

takin a stand against pile on culture

wonder who the last poet was who could be said to have a "career as a poet"

it's prob been a while, even t.s. eliot had a day job

pile on culture is not the problem here, lol

I liked the one treesh quoted above who was like “my poems have had a minor impact on how people think and write, as a poet I find this unacceptable”

(Putting aside that this coopting of her style is 100% without question only in her head)

"I'll be ready to go in a few minutes, just sending out this month's poetry invoices."

Career as a poet = teaching job, right?

yeah

(also grants, residencies, etc)

I still can't get past the tattoo. The public shaming seems a bit superfluous when she's already tattooed herself with her own offense.

wonder who the last poet was who could be said to have a "career as a poet"

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there should be a little meter on twitter that says when someone has been piled on exactly enough so everyone knows when to stop

xp strafkolonie omg

not sure why j. made that suicide quip above

it wasn't a quip, i'm saying, people kill themselves over things like this, you think the same thing that i said

goddamn plagiarists everywhere

when I was taking literature classes there was a guy whose project was going to poetry readings with a notebook and free writing while the poet read. He'd mix in his own lines with stuff he was hearing the poet read. This got iffy when he attended student readings and presented his partially-lifted poems in the workshop. People were bugged by it, but he was up front about what he was doing. He got a Stegner fellowship.

'Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion.'

I saw someone doing this at a reading the other night, or maybe writing down phrases they liked. Seemed a little odd but also a thing that poetry students might do.

Back in Homer's day…

i agree that people shouldn't lift lines from other poets...

― Trϵϵship, Sunday, December 2, 2018

how do you feel about allusion?
what if the lift is in a character's voice?
do we need to re-evaluate jean rhys?

obv the case in question is a whole other thing but man, i'd hate to imagine a world where every artifact has to be sui generis

my biggest takeaway from this is lol poetry

From the beef or this thread?

from poetry

Xp rogermexico, that’s kind of what I was saying in my flurry of commentary upthread—the tweets about this issue seemed to display a pretty naive understanding of authorship and originality. What would they think of an artist like Sturtevant?

This is a very clear-cut case of plagiarism, though. As someone said above, it reads exactly like an undergrad with a thesaurus trying to get out of being detected. There is no recontextualisation or conversation here, just thievery.

Yes but treesh found some twitter rando saying biting someone’s style is literally murder so now that is what this case is about

That was not a rando, i think that was this plagiarist’s publisher

No, the publisher was talking about actual plagiarism

Oh thats right. The style person was some kind ofnpoetry student. Be that as it may

how do you feel about allusion?
what if the lift is in a character's voice?
do we need to re-evaluate jean rhys?

i liked this but better if it rhymed

The publisher was out of line too.

Eh the publisher said a true thing (“this is unacceptable”) in kinda ott language (“evil”), I’m p whatever about the idea that @GhostCityPress might take poetry too seriously

evil is a stupid term at best of times, when tweeted in reference to something someone did in poetry then the tweeter should be taken out to a main square and kicked to death on a stage