you havent the stuff tbph
― puppy bash (darraghmac), Monday, 3 December 2018 10:57 (five years ago) link
but you do, so
― imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 11:05 (five years ago) link
i just think the language about her being evil and removing flesh and bones from artists was way over the top and kind of sadistic.
lol poets in waxing poetic shocker
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
What's sadistic is a white poet stealing lines about abuse from women of color, and getting the recognition and awards they never got.
― Frederik B, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:26 (five years ago) link
It's one of those really though things about being white, than when something bad you do inadvertently perfectly illustrate centuries of plunder and violence, that people get really really ott mad at you. It's really tough being white. And that poet got off lucky, imagine if she had been a man?
― Frederik B, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:29 (five years ago) link
People would have been even angrier at them?
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:38 (five years ago) link
anyway, the writers she stole from seem more respected in the community than she was. it seems like she was nominated for a pushcart prize and never won anything. i think itms fucked up what she did, and i am not criticizing the poets she ripped off for their anger, but I really don’t see this as a kind of hate crime that demands she be denounced for all time and called a monster
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:42 (five years ago) link
Did she leave twitter because of this?
We should be kind to mistakes but I wouldn't immediately step in and say they people stolen from here can't write some angry tweets about it.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 3 December 2018 14:49 (five years ago) link
Yeah those people can of course vent.
But the fiercest rhetoric has come from other people chiming in, talking about how shocked they are and how dare anyone make an excuse for this because of the woman’s mental illness you are supporting white supremacy don’t you know et cetera
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
Like, this girl’s career as a poet is over. Let it go.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
Hell is other people, remember.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 3 December 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
Yeah. What I am seeing is a bunch of people delighting in someone else’s disgrace—trying to get their kicks in. I don’t think it’s cool.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
career as a poet
― puppy bash (darraghmac), Monday, 3 December 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
lol
― Frederik B, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
The other thing is that she didn't deserve to have a career in poetry in the first place, so it's really not a penalty.
― Frederik B, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
i once had ilx posts of mine plagiarized by a lurker and i still feel really weird about it
i’ve also accidentally plagiarized people before bc imo it’s very easy when you’re a writer to unconsciously ingest and repeat other ppl’s ideas unless you’re constantly vigilant
obv none of that’s happening here, this is transparent theft. “flesh off the bones” is of course too much, i think accidental plagiarism happens bc no one’s ideas are special, especially mine etc., and in that particular case no one is losing their bone clothing
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
waht... !!!
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 3 December 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
i mean i want to be super charitable and suggest that was accidental too, but the same lurker would engage me in conversations about the stuff they were writing about and without fail i'd see my ideas appear in their copy the next day
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
again not that my ideas are special or meaningful in any way
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link
lmbo
― (° . ° )― (Lamp), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link
Hobby as a poet then, with chapbooks and readings and the whole deal. That is over for this individual.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
"what an injustice, i've been DISINVITED from a PANEL for my horrible behavior"
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
i think social ostracism hurts. and she definitely deserves that. i just think that, personally, if i was in the scene, i wouldn't be shooting spitballs at someone as security was escorting them out the door.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
yeah it's absolutely unnecessary piling on but how long have we been on the internet now?
― biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
Finding it weird that this is being discussed as much as it is tbh. Has anyone actually read these poets?
― pomenitul, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:48 (five years ago) link
chapbooks and readings are privileges and she rightly lost them, i hope she never gets on twitter again, the end xp
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
lol i don't think i understand what treeship is getting at beyond "this is bad but also the overreaction to this is bad" which, yes, yes it is
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
takin a stand against pile on culture
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
wonder who the last poet was who could be said to have a "career as a poet"
it's prob been a while, even t.s. eliot had a day job
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link
pile on culture is not the problem here, lol
― Frederik B, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:08 (five years ago) link
I liked the one treesh quoted above who was like “my poems have had a minor impact on how people think and write, as a poet I find this unacceptable”(Putting aside that this coopting of her style is 100% without question only in her head)
― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
"I'll be ready to go in a few minutes, just sending out this month's poetry invoices."
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
Career as a poet = teaching job, right?
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link
yeah
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
(also grants, residencies, etc)
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
I still can't get past the tattoo. The public shaming seems a bit superfluous when she's already tattooed herself with her own offense.
― jmm, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
🌻 see you in the states this fall!! i can’t wait my loves. tickets are on sale now. https://t.co/7CeaxRduPf 🌻 pic.twitter.com/sO5w2jX9uP— rupi kaur (@rupikaur_) August 16, 2018
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
there should be a little meter on twitter that says when someone has been piled on exactly enough so everyone knows when to stop
― na (NA), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
xp strafkolonie omg
not sure why j. made that suicide quip above
it wasn't a quip, i'm saying, people kill themselves over things like this, you think the same thing that i said
goddamn plagiarists everywhere
― j., Monday, 3 December 2018 17:57 (five years ago) link
when I was taking literature classes there was a guy whose project was going to poetry readings with a notebook and free writing while the poet read. He'd mix in his own lines with stuff he was hearing the poet read. This got iffy when he attended student readings and presented his partially-lifted poems in the workshop. People were bugged by it, but he was up front about what he was doing. He got a Stegner fellowship.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
'Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion.'
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
I saw someone doing this at a reading the other night, or maybe writing down phrases they liked. Seemed a little odd but also a thing that poetry students might do.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
Back in Homer's day…
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
i agree that people shouldn't lift lines from other poets...
― Trϵϵship, Sunday, December 2, 2018
how do you feel about allusion?what if the lift is in a character's voice?do we need to re-evaluate jean rhys?
obv the case in question is a whole other thing but man, i'd hate to imagine a world where every artifact has to be sui generis
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
my biggest takeaway from this is lol poetry
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link
From the beef or this thread?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
from poetry
― j., Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
Xp rogermexico, that’s kind of what I was saying in my flurry of commentary upthread—the tweets about this issue seemed to display a pretty naive understanding of authorship and originality. What would they think of an artist like Sturtevant?
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:17 (five years ago) link
This is a very clear-cut case of plagiarism, though. As someone said above, it reads exactly like an undergrad with a thesaurus trying to get out of being detected. There is no recontextualisation or conversation here, just thievery.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link
Yes but treesh found some twitter rando saying biting someone’s style is literally murder so now that is what this case is about
― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link