WHOCHURCH: The Chris Chibnall era

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Television's The Actor Kevin Eldon seemed to be doing a character that we would now associate more with Steve Pemberton than him, which I struggled with.

Anyway, I didn't think much of this one - some great ideas in it but The Solitract danced too close to the Rusty "Ancient before time oooh dys" trope to convince me (although I acknowledge that's my issue and not Chibbers or anyone elses). Lol'd hard that all the f4nw4nk pre-series about who the Doctor was kissing goodbye to in the pre-series trailer (OOH IT'S RIVER OOOH I BET IT'S CAPTAIN JACK OMG ROSE IS COMING BACK AH IT'S THE MASTER) turned out to be a poor quality rubber frog that talked out of sync with the audio. Fair made me nostalgic for the Bandrils.

Well done the Guardian for pointing out the Artic Monkeys plot hole, that the t-shirt promotes an album that didn't come out until 2 years after the first Norwegian show. Admirable commitment to fact-checking.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Monday, 3 December 2018 08:22 (five years ago) link

So you cut this cool ass looking creature but left in... a frog

cutting otm imo

sans lep (sic), Monday, 3 December 2018 08:25 (five years ago) link

I've quite enjoyed not caring about this series and knowing that none of the plot has to work and just handwaving 'ah it's just SF it doesn't have to make sense' like you're supposed to.

So, my series ratings:

TWWFTE - not a dreadful setup episode, The Doctor's regeneration traumas are dealt with a bit too quickly but putting together such a big team so quickly was always going to be difficult and having to spend/waste (delete to your preference) so much time on it is a forgivable sin that invariably leads to a largely non-threatening and non-memorable monster of the week. A solid 6/10.

Ghost Monument - essentially part 2 of 'putting the band back together' so suffers the same issues as the former ep. The TARDIS is revealed too quickly for the dramatic tension to really work though a Marinus-style fetch quest isn't a bad plan especially one that ditches the trial plotline. Actually could have done with a second part and the TARDIS reveal moved to the second ep which would have won it another couple of points but as it is 5/10.

Rosa - not sure this actually worked based on NuWho mythology. Are we really supposed to believe that the single most important event in racial history of the universe (as pointed out at the end) wasn't a Fixed Point In Time (TM Plot Hole Maguffin Enterprises) and could therefore be changed by Black To The Future dude? Too much earnest overacting in this for it to be fun for the viewer. 3/10

Arachnids - giant sized real world things always work for monster of the week and this is no exception with a plot that rattles on and wins the day with SCIENCE (and Grime for da kidz innit). Gasp as people have conflicted moral attitudes! 7/10

Tsuranga - space hospitals, on the other hand, are a bit played out in NuWho and even a baddie designed for the Christmas merchandise market can't save it from being a bit of a clunker. Yaz is clearly becoming a bit Liz Shaw despite Chibbers' best intentions because she's always less "what is it Doctor?" and more "we did this in school". It'll be good when she explains when they did neutron flow in GCSE physics. 2/10

Demons of the Punjab - what could have collapsed into a Rusty Family mess works well with a fake-out when the bad guys turn out to be the ambivalent guys and the bad guys are actually the Hindus (a bit like the viewers when we thought the white guys were going to be that bad guys before the episode aired, ah dys). Very close to a pure historical so very close to being very good Who. 7/10

Kerblam! - technology going bad and killing people has been done to death so the twist that it wants to save people and activists are doing the plot is kind of welcome. Hurray question mark. Exactly people sized robots are a mark of Who and this could have easily slotted into Pertwee's industrial unrest/rolling UK politics thread era (Badgers of Peladon, Mutants etc) so the nostalgia factor is v high but not in a For The Fans way. 8/10

Witchfinders - lots of dressing up and the campest cameo since Soldeed makes this a joyous romp. The plot itself is more than a bit flimsy though so docked at least one off for that. 8/10

Let The Right One Back - see above.6/10.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Monday, 3 December 2018 09:27 (five years ago) link

The anti-zone monster that they kept in seemed like filler too. I assume they were going for a Clive Barker vibe? (n.b. I have never read or seen anything by Clive Barker first hand.)

adam the (abanana), Monday, 3 December 2018 09:39 (five years ago) link

Television's The Actor Kevin Eldon in a Doomlord mask doth a cheap monster make.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Monday, 3 December 2018 09:42 (five years ago) link

seemed like filler too

take your pick on tonally disruptive or a useful red herring

(I think I lean toward the latter, but also think the episode was 10-15 mins too long & could have lost the Eldonraiser altogether)

sans lep (sic), Monday, 3 December 2018 09:46 (five years ago) link

That was far from a masterpiece but better than some of the Pip and Jane Baker with a budget so far this series.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 3 December 2018 10:54 (five years ago) link

Eldonraiser

RIBBONS call him by his name!

maybe it was filler but obviously that is exactly what the other side of the mirror should look like so well done Who

the MOTHS were both scary and non-scary in that obviously fake queasy-making way that is somehow always much more unsettling than more "realistic" cgi

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 December 2018 11:19 (five years ago) link

Ribbons of the Quawncing Grig

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Monday, 3 December 2018 11:23 (five years ago) link

maybe the dad should have been wearing a STYX shirt

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 December 2018 11:57 (five years ago) link

That was far from a masterpiece but better than some of the Pip and Jane Baker with a budget so far this series.

Would be great if some of that budget extended to decent costumes, designers, or background actors. Nearly every story feels like a lushly photographed bottle episode so far.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 3 December 2018 12:16 (five years ago) link

Do you need band permission to print their logo backwards on a tshirt in a widely circulated show. Are Araya and co fans? Does the public have a right to know?

Stevolende, Monday, 3 December 2018 12:36 (five years ago) link

chuck otm. the witch episode was the only one that felt like it actually took place in a place that had people living in it

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:01 (five years ago) link

Surely the video was just flipped rather than producing a whole set of mirrored props, restyling hair, etc

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:52 (five years ago) link

that's why they only had enough money left for a frog finger puppet

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:56 (five years ago) link

That was *almost* excellent -- really would've liked more focus on the Solitract being lonely but essentially well-meaning (which would've made the Doctor's decision to stay behind with a sentient universe more believable (as much as a sentient universe can be believed) and emotionally resonant and cool), and I could've done without the Ribbons and flesh moths (which in the end didn't add up to much).

I'm a little aback that people are souring on Whittaker. I thought she was quite capable in the one episode where she was able to do Doctory things (i.e. this one). I'm trying to remember if Matt Smith in his last season (which in my opinion is the worst written prior to this) was able to elevate the material, but I'm drawing a blank. (I know, this comparison isn't apples-apples but w/e.)

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 06:48 (five years ago) link

Worst prior to this was the half series that intro'd Gemma Colman, though that ended very strongly.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 11:20 (five years ago) link

Which I realise belatedly is the one you mean.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 11:21 (five years ago) link

https://io9.gizmodo.com/doctor-whos-jodie-whittaker-isnt-going-anywhere-1830936088

Which I assume means that Chibbers is coming back.

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:09 (five years ago) link

...coming back to what? he's already at work on next year's series

sans lep (sic), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link

I was referencing the rumors that he was already planning on bailing without knowing where the production currently was.

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link

One bloke on twitter, who hates there being a lady Doctor, making up a lie does not = rumours, no matter how many websites post links to a UK tabloid newspaper running a report that @Eddie_At_Skaro has typed this unsourced lie.

sans lep (sic), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:41 (five years ago) link

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not all that "plugged in" to the ins and outs of Who fandom.

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link

I still don’t understand how anyone can like any season of nu-Who less than Tennant’s first season

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link

Until now it was the worst season by some margin, but I think this year's is close. And Moffat's episode is a keeper. No desire to rewatch any episodes this year.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:39 (five years ago) link

Tennant’s first / S2 has Girl In The Fireplace and the first 35 minutes of Love & Monsters in it, whereas this year treats Tooth & Claw as a pinnacle that none may dare to even strive for

sans lep (sic), Saturday, 8 December 2018 02:35 (five years ago) link

^^^

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 8 December 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link

tried watching this week’s, almost made it halfway through before doing something else. it felt basically like whittaker was tap dancing on cardboard.

calamity gammon (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 8 December 2018 08:17 (five years ago) link

look this year is very Basic Bitch who and i'm kind of fine with it

as long as we start accelerating towards a bit of mystery and wonder at SOME point along the way

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 8 December 2018 10:12 (five years ago) link

(i thought last week's was promising in this regard as it actually felt like it had a bit of artistic ambition)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 8 December 2018 10:14 (five years ago) link

Agreed, I think last week's ep was by far the best of the season (partition ep comes second).

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 8 December 2018 11:17 (five years ago) link

I'd also like to see the doctor's condescending dickhead side come out a little more tbh

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 8 December 2018 11:27 (five years ago) link

Yeah every episode this season has been more or less the same quality for me (5 or 6 out of 10) whereas Tennant's first had higher highs and lower lows. I'd say either way they were all more memorable than each subsequent Doc's weakest eps but that could just be my relative fatigue. The Xmas ones have been particularly disappointing this decade apart from the first and last Matt Smith ones, but they were always problematic under RTD too (I only really liked Tennant's first, as in The Christmas Invasion and last too).

nashwan, Saturday, 8 December 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link

Last Christmas ruled, Husbands had a little wonkiness but it was all outshone by the glorious half-hour-plus run of River not recognising Capaldiface and him getting more and more tetchy about it

sans lep (sic), Saturday, 8 December 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link

I just wish Chibnall would realise this show can be about and do literally any kind if story, and would show a little more ambition.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 9 December 2018 01:44 (five years ago) link

Tennant’s first / S2 has Girl In The Fireplace and the first 35 minutes of Love & Monsters in it, whereas this year treats Tooth & Claw as a pinnacle that none may dare to even strive for

forgot that I liked School Reunion too

sans lep (sic), Sunday, 9 December 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link

Finally a 7/10!

nashwan, Sunday, 9 December 2018 21:41 (five years ago) link

I was irritated that the baddy used in this plot was the gimpy one from episode one, because otherwise it's an interesting plot. I thought he was done better this time. Obviously very star wars inspired mind

Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 9 December 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link

I hated and could barely hear that one.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 9 December 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link

I assume I hated it but I literally couldn’t tell what was happening bcz 82% of the dialogue was inaudible

also it seems the teal & orange faction in design & lighting were trying to win a bet

sans lep (sic), Sunday, 9 December 2018 22:32 (five years ago) link

I'm glad you couldn't hear it either, as I have hearing damage and just assumed it was me

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 9 December 2018 22:40 (five years ago) link

I didn't hear some of Tim Shaw's dialogue, but I did hear the rest, and so I don't feel so bad about that. That was amazingly bad.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 December 2018 23:07 (five years ago) link

I can't believe a season of Doctor Who was saved from utter mediocrity by Bradley Walsh and guy from Hollyoaks

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 9 December 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link

No new eps in 2019 confirmed but on the basis of tonight's that can only be a good thing really.

JimD, Sunday, 9 December 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link

No full season in 2019; there’s definitely one episode on NYD, and the PR language leaves room for other specials.

sans lep (sic), Monday, 10 December 2018 00:25 (five years ago) link

This means that in the first five (5) years of his contract, Chibnall will have produced two (2) series of the show.

(Without any further specials, he’ll have done 22 episodes during his 5-year tenure, and Moffatt will have done 14.)

sans lep (sic), Monday, 10 December 2018 00:30 (five years ago) link

14?

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 10 December 2018 00:52 (five years ago) link

1x Mysterio, 12x S10, and 1x Twice Upon A Time.

sans lep (sic), Monday, 10 December 2018 00:58 (five years ago) link

i am going to need a therapeutic rewatch of a prev season I enjoyed

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 December 2018 04:18 (five years ago) link

I wasn't wide awake when I watched this episode (Rancorous AV Club), so I'll rewatch it before I judge it. I still noticed that half of the lines were clichés, like Chibnall was taking the 250 most common movie lines and trying to make a story out of them, Seuss style.

adam the (abanana), Monday, 10 December 2018 06:14 (five years ago) link


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