Dynasty, s3: Canadian Politics 2018

Sund4r, you may find this interesting: http://plus.lapresse.ca/screens/58c7800e-dafc-46a7-8575-08bcf0feb591__7C___0.html

I don't think that contradicts my point; I still think pastagate is an apples and oranges comparison to this. (Also, a quick Google search does turn up plenty of coverage in the English Ontario press abouot francophone protests concerning the Ford govt's budget cuts and cancellation of the French university, although most of it is more recent than Nov 20 tbf.) However, I do agree with the writer that funding minority institutions is an important way to respect those communities.

I will admit, though, that I'm not totally convinced that building a French university in Toronto was the greatest idea to begin with. Based on the 2016 census, out of ≈5.9M Toronto residents, ≈65.5K (1.11%) speak French as a first language, less than the number whose first language is Arabic (85K), Tamil (110K), or Tagalog (136K), let alone Mandarin (227K), Cantonese (≈248K), or Punjabi (171K). I do think it would make a lot of sense to build a French university here in Ottawa, where over 30% of the city lists French as their mother tongue and I use French all the time - far more comparable to the example of Montreal. (NB that there are no English universities or hospitals in Quebec City.) Whatever would be hypothetically done would have to be co-ordinated with the bilingual University of Ottawa, though, which is currently doing a pretty good job of providing education and services in French.

And even then, idk if an all-French university would necessarily serve francophones better than a bilingual one or if it would just serve to divide people further. Imo, McGill and Concordia can foster weirdly insular anglophone enclaves. Maybe we should be looking to expand French-language services at Carleton instead?

Totally riffing in the last post

Inaugurating a French-language university in the heart of Toronto is a gesture that would carry tremendous symbolic weight and that would go a long way towards further mending the historically fraught (i.e. hierarchical) relationship between anglophones and francophones, which remains a barely concealed wound in French-speaking Canada. Anything less is bound to be perceived as a sign or indifference, even contempt. It's hard not to feel like the linguistic majority just doesn't get it, and I say this as a non-native francophone.

Imo, McGill and Concordia can foster weirdly insular anglophone enclaves.

This is a valid concern, but I think that a) if you design the university from the ground up with this problem in mind, you could take pains to avoid repeating it and b) I don't know Toronto very well, but my impression is that you couldn't get by off campus only knowing French, unlike English/Montreal.

Yeah, b) is true for the same reason that the idea seemed unconvincing to me in the first place.

I assume part of the point of locating it in Toronto is to bring new francophone residents to the city and create more French-language infrastructure, not just to serve francophone people presently there. Whether it would actually draw students is something I hope they've done empirical analysis on. We don't want a tremendous symbolic gesture that fails in the application.

Tbh I've seen zero details about what this was supposed to look like, including what size student body they were expecting. I don't think it's impossible to imagine a way this could have worked though.

idk if an all-French university would necessarily serve francophones better than a bilingual one

This is essentially my very idealistic take on Canadian language politics in general, especially if you include "English" and "anglophone" as well. The cognitive benefits of bilingualism are well established afaict, and unlike my American friends putting their kids on waiting lists for Mandarin-immersion kindergartens in Oregon, there's a cultural/social framework for making bilingualism work in Canada--provided you can ignore decades of politics lol. The impression I get from my partner's students (almost all of whom are francophones at an anglophone uni) is that there's an appetite for bilingualism among younger quebecois. Or at least among the art students...

There is an 'appetite for bilingualism', but it's a one-way street.

Imo, McGill and Concordia can foster weirdly insular anglophone enclaves.

― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Sunday, December 2, 2018 9:31 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Francophones outside of the anglomontrealia are as responsible for this enclave feeling. And to be fair, there is so many more francophones (from all over the world, not just Quebec) at McGill/Concordia than anglophones in french universities.

Agreed that a new francophone Ontarian university need not be in Toronto of all places available.

just shaking my head while reading all of this tbh

like, the way this is being handled in canada is so wrong

https://globalnews.ca/news/4658188/fentanyl-china-canada-diplomatic-tensions/

“With the fentanyl crisis, and Vancouver being ground zero with imports from China paid with Bitcoin from unregulated exchanges, the U.S. government is concerned about Vancouver,” Duhaime said. “The fact that Vancouver has emerged as a safe haven for proceeds of crime is even more concerning.”

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