Classic Epics of Chinese Literature: Search and Destroy

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it's a hell of a piece. i love scene with the former party secretary in the old town.
i think we discussed it on the rolling china thread. yan lianke occupies a weird position in the literary bureaucracy inside china but most view his overseas acclaim with jealousy.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Saturday, 1 December 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link

I really want to read some of his books next year.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 1 December 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

has to be among the least read threads on old ilx, but i always see it at the top with its bookmark.

my translation of jia pingwa's shaanxi opera is coming out probably late this year... the fifth jpw book in like three years, all different translators, crappy publishers printing a hundred copies to get the chinese government subsidy, no reviews or readers, a real mess, but that's how things go sometimes, and this'll be on amazon's translation imprint and flogged hard.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 14 January 2019 08:44 (five years ago) link

i'll be back in beijing and xi'an from the end of march to mid-april, if anybody's around, too.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Monday, 14 January 2019 08:46 (five years ago) link

in AmazonCrossing? Cool! I will be getting that.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 14 January 2019 22:33 (five years ago) link

you got it.

amazon is a wicked force but they pay
translators well and promote books.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 09:47 (five years ago) link

global capital, it's a mixed blessing

moaty, boaty, big and bloaty (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 10:15 (five years ago) link

They publish so much translated literature. More than anyone else, i think?

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 11:45 (five years ago) link

at least in english. in other languages they're mostly cranking out genre fiction and it makes sense i guess. in chinese it's been a book of short stories from shaanxi, lu nei's young babylon, jia pingwa, maybe I GUESS because some prc bureaucrats help choose what amazon gets the rights to. apparently the rates are bad for translators from french or german but global capital, it's a mixed blessing.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 15:53 (five years ago) link

What does the translator application entail? Can anyone sign up?

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link

i think it's invitation only but you can submit a title https://translation.amazon.com/submissions. i'm not sure to what extent this supposed marketplace/bid process actually exists because the only title i see up for "bid" is a dutch title (jij zegt het) listed at an opening price of 13k flat fee and 2% royalties. (that rate is much lower than what they're paying for translations from chinese and, based on what the association of literary translators in france's <a href="https://www.ceatl.eu/open-letter-from-association-of-literary-translators-in-france-to-amazoncrossing";>open letter</a> says, not very good at all.)

for me, i queried them with something through that submission thing that they were vaguely interested in but were put off by the rights situation (never clear in china), then, introduced by a a translator that previously worked with them, they made me an offer for something they'd gotten the rights to and negotiated a contract in the usual way.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link

constantly forget to convert html to bbcode.

it would appear that for languages other than german, french, dutch that the rates they pay are good enough.

maybe originally or eventually, it was or will be part of a scheme to get all those self-published kindle books translated? like, you self-publish a kindle and some guy bids 100 bucks and 50% of royalties to translate your novel into dutch? i really don't know what they're up to.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:42 (five years ago) link

Chuck Tjingle

moaty, boaty, big and bloaty (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link

Pounded in Das Boot

moaty, boaty, big and bloaty (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 16:44 (five years ago) link

(jij zegt het figures I guess as it's about Ted Hughes and Sylvia Plath, though I wonder how this works w/ her publisher.

Thanks for the info though, appreciate it.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:02 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

thank god we have a chinese literature thread. i wrote something about a jia pingwa novel: ‘Broken Wings’: Jia Pingwa’s Controversial Novel Explores Human Trafficking And Rural China

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Thursday, 11 July 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link

I'd like to read that, but there seems to be no link in that link?

Nice! Thank you.

👍

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link

hey thanks.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/06/24/liu-cixins-war-of-the-worlds i also want to recommend the jiayang fan liu cixin piece here if anyone missed it. i've mostly sat out liu cixin fever and this didn't encourage me to pick up the books.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link

Yeah that's excellent I've just got "Ruined City" what would you recommend next?

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link

short answer: broken wings. happy dreams which you can get on amazon since they published it but nowhere else, more fun, trash pickers in xi'an. turbulence which grove put out in 2013, same translator, but hard to find. also earthen gate, part of a ruined city and white nights xi'an trilogy, great novel, translation lacking, but necessary if you want more ruined city vibes.

long answer: for 25 years while jia pingwa was at his most productive, nothing was translated. the author wasn't interested in moving the rights and there wasn't much interested in purchasing the rights. after ruined city came out, he was mostly cut off from the rest of the world and was basically blacklisted, and then after that, there was minimal interest from publishers in the west, so... you had turbulence in 1991, reissued by grove in 2003. it's an early novel, before ruined city, very different vibe. right after ruined city, five jia pingwa books suddenly make it into translation. jia was pushed by his people to make a go of it in english. most of the books are not very good. by next year, there will be eight jia pingwa novels in translation, since 2016, with seven different translators, through four different publishers, and there's been no real attempt at either quality control or promotion. jia is the most important chinese novelist of the last fifty years, read by hundreds of millions, but will probably never find much of a readership in english (french, swedish, spanish, much more hopeful).

so, after ruined city, there was carlos rojas' translation of the lantern bearer, which is a later novel, about a plucky female civil servant out in the countryside, but it's not very good, translated by an academic, riddled with strange errors (not like, quibbling about a translation errors, but errors in the english-language text), typos, and other problems. it was put out by a publisher called cn times, whose other books include mainly books about xi jinping, "china renaissance," "great power strategy," and also a book by a tampa cigar aficionado with recipes for cocktails that appear in pulp novels. then happy dreams released by amazoncrossing, which we discussed further up this thread. fun book! good translation! when the original came out in chinese in 2007, it was his most accessible and least dense book and reintroduced him to a new readership. it's about trash pickers in xi'an. definitely look this one up, if you can. after that, there was the broken wings translation, which i do think is very good. the cover design is shocking. (i hate the title, too. it was originally titled 极花 or "the pole flower" and translated as la flora extrema in spanish by its mexican publisher.)

there's also a translation of a much earlier book, put out this year, earthen gate, which is part of a trilogy of sorts with ruined city and white nights (untranslated). unfortunately, it came out on a small press who did no marketing. i tried to ask for a review copy, got turned down, offered to buy one, and they told me, "why bother reviewing it at all? we're not even selling it." it was done by two chinese translators, who did a surprisingly good job. although it's clearly the work of someone not a native speaker of english, it's idiosyncratic language is kind of a plus, if you can get into it. this follows ruined city pretty well, same setting, same concerns, about a village on the outskirts of xi'an (or xijing) which is being swallowed up by the city, local residents' attempts to have the village protected as "cultural heritage," basically turned into a museum, while other residents abandon ship and rush to make a living in urban xi'an. this is one of jia's best novels, not one of his best in translation, but i think it's worth checking out, if you want that ruined city vibe.

next year, there is a translation of jia's 2005 later period masterwork qinqiang coming, also through amazoncrossing, which should be okay! a thicc epic, clocking in at around half a million words, setting is a village in the late-1990s, slowly losing its vitality and identity, the city drawing away its young people... also master of songs another late rural novel is coming, too, often considered one of jia's most political novels, sweeping history of modern china-type novel. and possibly jia's cultural revolution novel ancient kiln.

XxxxxxxXxxxxxxxxXxxxx (dylannn), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link

I was wondering about the different translators, that explains a lot

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 08:44 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

This is a Chinese literature podcast. They have just wound it down at the 100th EP. The guy who ran it is doing a twitter thread on the EPs.

To mark the ending of the Translated Chinese Fiction Podcast, I thought I'd make a thread covering all 100 episodes. So here we go...https://t.co/aXNTl8CaC3

— Angus 「安安」 (@AngusLikesWords) February 10, 2024

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 10 February 2024 22:37 (two months ago) link


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