GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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fwiw I think she is actually largely oblivious to her failings/shortcomings

Rich kids gonna rich kid

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link

yeah it's not really a mystery

Οὖτις, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link

might have encouraged this but it’s still an uncomfortable dynamic

if you're saying that by continuing to engage with Dunham material we're all part of her ongoing project, then yes, I agree

mh, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:01 (five years ago) link

I just had to re-review this particular dog issue but it wasn't the biting but that she was embellishing some kind of troubled past for the dog as the reason why she had to give it up. Plus people would side with BARC on this since they have been in the neighborhood forever.

Yerac, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link

It would likely really really suck to have two nyc artists for parents.

Yerac, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link

An incomplete list of things Dunham has been asked to apologize for: the nondiverse casting on Girls; casting Donald Glover as a black Republican boyfriend the season after she got in trouble for having an all-white cast; saying in an interview, “No one would be calling me a racist if they knew how badly I wanted to fuck Drake”; declaring herself “thin for, like, Detroit”; writing a New Yorker essay called “Dog or Jewish Boyfriend? A Quiz”; constantly being naked; tweeting a photo of herself wearing a scarf around her head like a hijab; accusing a Spanish magazine of airbrushing her photos (it did not); comparing Bill Cosby to the Holocaust; giving Horvath a brown baby at the end of Girls (and casting a baby that was Puerto Rican and Haitian, not half-Pakistani, as the script dictated); comparing the reading of negative Jezebel coverage to getting beaten in the face by an abusive husband; accusing NFL player Odell Beckham Jr. of not wanting to sleep with her; saying she disliked India because of the visible poverty; apologizing but never learning.

she rules

flopson, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:04 (five years ago) link

The three standalone episodes that I really love (Hannah daydreaming about a bourgeois future, the creepy writer she interviews, Marnie and her junkie ex) make me pine for a Girls with no Judd Apatow involvement.

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link

What’s a gabneb? Is it from the time a lot of you would have posts with cool lingo like “teh” and “captain save-a”

Is being a piece of shit Milo z.’s brand?

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:06 (five years ago) link

she's basically the real life version of one of the seinfeld sitcom characters

mh, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:08 (five years ago) link

She’s definitely a little insufferable but also somewhat talented and charming. Obviously unsuited to be the “face of feminism” but she didn’t ask for that and it mostly seems like conservatives who want to tag her as that. As a face of millennial brooklynites.... idk it kind of fits.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, November 26, 2018 4:00 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I really don't think it's conservatives fault Lena Dunham became the "face" of anything, liberals have very much pushed that idea. She spoke at the DNC!

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:10 (five years ago) link

that is a great list she does rule

old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:16 (five years ago) link

Tbf she spoke in the afternoon w a bunch of celebrities like Elizabeth Banks etc it wasn’t exactly a prime time spotlight

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:17 (five years ago) link

Also she shouldn’t be that toxic a property. She said some stuff that wasn’t fully woke, then apologized, I am honestly not willing to cast the first stone here. The garish dresses she would wear during the campaign that said HILLARY all over were pretty funny though, given what a lightning rod of controversy she is.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link

gabbneb isn't exactly wrong here but being a Dunham Defender is so pointedly on brand

― louise ck (milo z), Monday, November 26, 2018 4:00 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pls stop confusing me by making me believe gabbneb is back. nerdstrom isn’t THAT bad ffs

princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link

fwiw I think she is actually largely oblivious to her failings/shortcomings, she has a strangely myopic worldview that nonetheless occasionally produces good work. also a lot of garbage.

― Οὖτις, Monday, November 26, 2018 2:59 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is everyone on earth yknow

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link

that is a great list she does rule

― old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Monday, November 26, 2018 6:16 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

casting the wrong race of baby too perfect lol

flopson, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:21 (five years ago) link

she couldn't even get her OWN character's ethnicity correct!

Οὖτις, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link

Thot every1 knew she did molest her kid sister wth

F# A# (∞), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link

wth wht?

old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:24 (five years ago) link

wudk???

F# A# (∞), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:25 (five years ago) link

endless articles about her and white woman feminism. I think a lot of groups, especially right now, don't want to be associated with her.

Yerac, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link

Apparently she shared the stage in a co-speech with Ugly Betty star America Ferrera. Who could forget

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link

the "molested her sister" thing is for 4chan teens bud

girls was good. lena dunham is a too broadly drawn caricature of white liberal feminism

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link

from her book:

‘As she grew, I took to bribing her time and affection: one dollar in quarters if I could do her makeup like a “motorcycle chick.” Three pieces of candy if I could kiss her on the lips for five seconds. Whatever she wanted to watch on TV if she would just “relax on me.” Basically, anything a sexual predator might do to woo a small suburban girl, I was trying.’

i believe lena was either 14 or 16 at the time, her little sister is 6 years younger

F# A# (∞), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link

can we stop misgendering Grace Dunham while we're relitigating this

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:33 (five years ago) link

this is so fucking stupid

Οὖτις, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link

I hate the 2010s

Trϵϵship, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:41 (five years ago) link

best years of my life tbqh

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:42 (five years ago) link

I don't hate her, I think she is a talented but underbaked writer and i probably just wouldn't have given her another thought for at least the rest of 2018 had this thread not been bumped. But I don't think there's any doubt that she gets a disproportionate amount of media attention compared to the sliver of her generation, or any other, that actually gives a shit about her let alone thinks she's some kind of avatar, and that's not just because conservatives made her a target.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link

Social media is not her friend.

Yerac, Monday, 26 November 2018 23:57 (five years ago) link

social media is mob justice that brought trump to power

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link

Oh, I meant her oversharing on social media is not helping her health.

Yerac, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link

probably, yeah.

i just meant i am fatigued with the current impulse to divide the righteous from the wicked all the time. she is just an individual person in my mind. critique her, sure, but the failures of like, all privileged feminists shouldn't be hung around her neck all the time. this kind of censure bothers me. you get to a ridiculous situation where people are ready to believe anything about someone, even that she molested her sister, because she made some offensive comments about odell beckham once.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:09 (five years ago) link

or to a less extreme extent, that she faked a dog bite. like, what?

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:10 (five years ago) link

Treeship, your prewoke period must be a slaughterhouse

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:10 (five years ago) link

i never even got that woke dude. i'm obviously a man of the left but i don't go in for the whole discourse.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:11 (five years ago) link

thread is making me regret not going to see Lena’s incredibly brief appearance campaigning for Hillary in Des Moines

it was at a popular store that prints whimsical or sarcastic things on t-shirts

mh, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:30 (five years ago) link

can we finally fucking ban infinity

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:31 (five years ago) link

What confused me about Lena and "Girls" was that it seemed to me to be such a perfect representation of my own experiences in coming to NYC in my early 20s (2002-2006) and doing I-guess-typical things like listening to Magnetic Fields in the car ride down and then going to MisShapes and The Metropolitan and reading Blue States Lose and Gawker with a hangover the next day, and all the characters on that show had that exact balance of energy and cavalier selfishness that I'd come to associate with NYC-dwellers in their 20s and I was surprised that other people didn't watch that show and feel the same bizarre sudden recognition

fgti is for (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:33 (five years ago) link

can we finally fucking ban infinity

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, November 26, 2018 4:31 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Makin u a mod when I make my own ilx someday

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:35 (five years ago) link

xpost I lived in williamsburg 2003-2013/14? I think a lot of the williamsburg/greenpoint people from that time frame liked Girls ( I mean I smashed my hand bloody in Grumpy's heavy ass door and an ilxor adjacent did the costumes for the show) but then you know, people moved on, grew up. She seems like she didn't.

Yerac, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link

it came out before i moved to new york but, in hindsight, i agree with that. a lot of it rang true. especially how the characters talk about their own lives--everything is part of a dramatic narrative. there are so many people around, so many big personalities, and it sometimes seem like you have to fight, with yourself, for a sense of identity.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:39 (five years ago) link

basically the narcissism/self-involvement of the characters that so many people have noted seemed, to me, seem to come from a kind of desperation that i associate with new york. (it's not exclusive to new york, though obviously.) anyway, i thought it was the strongest aspect of the writing.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:42 (five years ago) link

associate it with americans tbh

old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 00:59 (five years ago) link

fair

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link

Lena and said costumer Oberlin folk too yerac.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link

yeah, i know. I almost called dan selzer to thread.

Yerac, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 01:04 (five years ago) link

Ok love you guys but lol @ responding to criticism of girls for being too narcissistic and myopic with “it perfectly represented my experience and I was shocked that not everyone felt that way.” Honest but still funny.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 02:45 (five years ago) link

lol

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 02:47 (five years ago) link

it's kind of amazing how much attention she's gotten and continues to get six and a half years after Girls premiered. that list is nuts. I love the half-kidding suggestion by the author that Lena Dunham's whole life is a performance piece.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 03:02 (five years ago) link


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