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the best ramsey lewis record is "mother nature's son"

it's probably the best collection of beatles covers i've ever heard outside of mixtapes i've made for myself

forget the '70s, just dig this funky weirdness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwsbVWeN6-M

^ thanks for sharing, this is great

Troye Sivan is a better guitarist than Jimmy Page.

― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, September 7, 2018

there is nothing wrong with comparing female artists to other female artists; we should instead be asking why we never compare male artists to women, and how it never seems noteworthy when a male artist is compared to dozens of men

"Two Sisters" is a pretty gender-demeaning song.

I find this conclusion to be bizarre tbh

same

i don't know what y'all are doing in those grimes and 1975 threads but it's probably not worth the effort

the best ramsey lewis record is "mother nature's son"

― budo jeru

i'll one-contrup that: there's one good record in "the white album", and it's ramsey lewis's "mother nature's son"

Charlie Watts' best playing is on the last few Stones albums.

Oh my goodness, Ramsey's version of the White Album is pretty schmaltzy. It's like he heard "Goodnight" and said, "Yes, but every song."

"Two Sisters" is a pretty gender-demeaning song.

I find this conclusion to be bizarre tbh

― Οὖτις, Friday, November 30, 2018 2:26 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

same

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, November 30, 2018 2:48 PM (four days ago)

It chooses its subject matter. It chooses to put the woman in the house. It chooses to mock her running around THE HOUSE after her epiphany.

does it also put the lotion in the basket?

I think the song speaks to the reality of women's roles and options at the time, and ultimately in a very empathetic way

I agree there's some empathy there but think it's cartoonish and...yeah, gender-demeaning.

What would you say was the point of mocking her at the end of the song?

I don't find the "so she ran round the house with her curlers on" inherently mocking, in the context of the song its an observation of her being liberated from feelings of jealousy and self-consciousness - she's not giving a fuck and that feels good to her

Looking at it again, I think she's actually mocked throughout the song. Her attempt to break away is framed in terms of the dishes, her women's weekly magazines...

point me to the line that spells out that mockery, that says "isn't this woman silly" or whatever, I don't think it's in there

I have explained myself enough. It chooses its subject matter. It situates the woman in the house with her dreary life. And then her epiphany is, yay, look at her running around the house with her curlers on. It seems to me that nothing could really be clearer.

but what makes that a mocking portrait as opposed to a realistic one? Part of the problem here is that Davies is a great enough songwriter that he doesn't clumsily spell out any particular POV, he just presents the details and observes, but you seem to conclude that the very observations themselves are mocking, that talking about the prosaic life of a 60s UK housewife is somehow inherently disdainful.

and taken in the context of his larger oeuvre, with its conservative leanings and pinings for tradition, it seems weird to assume that Ray's sympathies lie with the "wayward lass" as opposed to the hapless housewife, oppressed by her stultifying gender role. what conclusion in the song would have been non-mocking, in your opinion? that she run away from home, abandon her family, and become a hare krishna?

it seems weird to assume that Ray's sympathies lie with the "wayward lass" as opposed to the hapless housewife

I agree that it would seem weird and I was not doing that.

I don't find the "so she ran round the house with her curlers on" inherently mocking, in the context of the song its an observation of her being liberated from feelings of jealousy and self-consciousness - she's not giving a fuck and that feels good to her

This is how I hear it, too (fwiw)

"Jukebox Music" has always been more insulting to me as a woman who loves music. The "little lady" who takes the lyrics all the songs she loves literally gets the real condescending treatment in that one. And it still doesn't really anger me, just makes me think that Ray is definitely a man of his times.

ray is absolutely not mocking the protagonist for wearing curlers or reading women's weekly magazines! any more than he was mocking the idea of a village green preservation society. seriously, no songwriter of that era would be less likely to mock somebody for living a quiet and unadventurous life than ray davies.

what conclusion in the song would have been non-mocking, in your opinion?

The conclusion is fine. The children are what brings her back; that's actually nice. It's the portrayal I see as demeaning and somewhat sarcastic. Davies saw himself as a social critic.

ray is absolutely not...

"Absolutely not" - the final word, then?

and here i thought you had the final word with "i have explained myself enough."

Love you guys anyway

Also not a fan of "clutch empty milk bottles to their hearts" btw

I have a controversial music question...

I haven't listened, and I'm not qualified to really judge either way, but would Lil Peep be rated as highly right now if he hadn't died?

i thought he was super important before he died so... it wouldn't be the same but yeah

OK thanks. I really had no idea!

yeah if anything he hasn't gotten the due he deserves in death, he died too young for a true martyr bump

all the lil rappers are bad

(taking this back to real controversial content)

who was the first lil rapper anyway, lil bow wow?

kim!?

Lil Kim that is

idk Lil Bow Wow is '93 or so, isn't that before her?

wiki says his first album was 2000 and he was 13
unless he recorded before that?

Besides, he shed the 'lil' a couple of years later.

lil kim released hard core in 1996, when bow wow was...9
so i think she was first of the two but maybe there was another lil before kim that i am forgetting/not aware of

There was also Lil' Keke. But I agree with LL, I think Lil Kim was the first.

Lil' Rodney Cee from the Funky 4 + 1

Hmm maybe Bow Wow Wow was the reason for confusion! Ha

i knew there would be one before her i just am not familiar with who that is
thank you ilm

from lil bow wow's wiki

In 1993, he performed at a concert in Los Angeles, and was noticed by rapper Snoop Dogg, who subsequently gave him a stage name, "Lil' Bow Wow".[4]

The best album Mick Jones made was B.A.D’s ‘Megatop Phoenix’.

Lil' Rodney Cee from the Funky 4 + 1

oh shit that's right! good lookin out