Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

That the centre will always gravitate towards the right rather than give anything to the left - or that centrist opinions are very close to far right ones.

The name is mostly turning the idea of ‘horseshoe theory’ back on the people promoting it. Liberalism = fascism is not necessarily useful analysis.

The idea that, given a choice between accommodating left-wing ideas and appeasing the far-right when forced to pick between the two, a lot of people who think of themselves as the sensible centre are more comfortable with the latter seems pretty undeniable though. Understanding how they can be stopped is hugely important.

i'm glad to see the concept of "social fascism" is back in vogue, it doesn't make one sound at all like a tankie

Probably not a great look to refer to someone who would feel the sharp end of mainstreaming fascist ideas as a tankie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ahem

none of this would've happened if Trump kept his promise and locked her up. ugh.

Trump's campaign was also based on blatant misogyny but Hilary seems oddly circumspect on whether the 2020 Democrat nominee should talk about hating women a bit more.

IS IT possible to think Hillary's article is awful and pandering and dangerous, but also Calzino's post about her teeth was a bit gross and also sexist?

anythings possible but sexist is a bit of a stretch

no I’m afraid you need to choose xp

I was posting about Chelsea's teeth and it isn't sexist because for starters the Clintons aren't even human beings.

Poor chelsea. If I was subject to the kind of harsh media spotlight she was as a teen I’d be a mess.

Nobody doubts that

It's hard out their for the progeny of America's power elite families, amazed she got past 20 tbh.

Idk I feel like it would suck to be her

money doesn't buy happiness

Also her parents do stuff like advise the “center left” to adopt the bannon line on migrants 4 the votes

having racist arseholes for parents is nothing new! Sorry if I've offended anyone, but these sociopaths make my blood boil. I feel they are fair game and don't deserve any protection after all the shitty domestic and foreign policies they've wrought onto the world over decades, whilst lining their pockets. They literally make me want to vomit. But this is US matters, so I'll stfu.

she's running

hopefully into the mouth of an active volcano

Clinton made the "We came, we saw, he died" comment on Gaddafi, and now some leftists think she started and was involved in every aspect of the Libyan uprising

— jonny sunn o))) 🍩🤝🌹 (@DSA_Boletaria) November 22, 2018

centrists are as bad at posting

are we pretending that Secretary of State isn't an important foreign policy role in the US and that the intervention didn't help oust Gaddafi?

for the purposes of bad centrist posting?

You thought people who issued passports were “imperialists”

You're not even sharing popular centrist garbage, do you actually follow these weirdos or do you just search for whatever is mentioned on ILX to find Twitter backup?

what

"we came, we saw, he died" was a horrible and unbelievably tone-deaf thing to say

even putting aside whether libya was a good idea or whether it was appropriate for someone in clinton's position to publicly crow like that over the death of anyone, it is not a great look for someone who's just participated in a military intervention to start paraphrasing julius caesar

There is a case that this bottleneck century (overpopulation + climate change + global poor outbid for calories + refugee flows that dwarf current ones) will offer a fertile ground for nationalist demagoguery and outright fascism throughout the developed world. It's a huge risk for liberal freedoms and social welfare systems. The demographic and food security projections are really dire. Military scenario planners have been using phrases like "lifeboat Britain" since the early aughts, and from public comments I'm certain that leaders like Macron have gotten their lifeboat ethics briefing.

So, I won't fault HRC for this tweet. At some point, one does the math on UN population projections and FAO food security indicators and climate change effects on crop yields and one hopes to not live to see the other side of the historical equation.

please hillary just go away

Can we be shitty to the Bush daughters now? Or Ivanka? Because that fruit is so low I think I grew balls.

the only thing worse than hillary clinton is people talking about hillary clinton

you don't have to ask

Clinton made the "We came, we saw, he died" comment on Gaddafi, and now some leftists think she started and was involved in every aspect of the Libyan uprising
— jonny sunn o))) 🍩🤝🌹 (@DSA_Boletaria) November 22, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:28 PM (three hours ago)

what in the shit is your deal exactly

is he gabbn3b?

You people are dumb

You thought people who issued passports were “imperialists”

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:12 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What're you even talking about, you massive weapon

Not to be all 'no you're the know-it-alls' but Hillary is talking about Europe, and as a European I'd just like to point out that the refugee crisis was about Syrian refugees, and I don't think anyone really cares about Libya. Except Italy, but nobody really cares about Italy either. This whole discussion is kinda besides the point.

nobody really cares about Italy either

ok then

The refugee "crisis" has never been about one incident or one group of people as far as I can tell but hey maybe if the US and its client states had bombed Syria a bit more we wouldn't be having this problem

ah yes the 20th century when poor ppl finally knew hunger

The big crisis that has kinda brought Merkel down was a specific group in summer 2015, sorta like a 'refugee caravan' in US terms. They were from Syria, and they play the biggest role in the European imagination. That's when a Hungarian journalist kicked a refugee, when Sweden closed it's borders, when people were walking on Danish highways, etc.

yeah even viggo got involved iirc

as a European I'd just like to point out that the refugee crisis was about Syrian refugees, and I don't think anyone really cares about Libya.

Often imitated, never duplicated.

It's hard out their for the progeny of America's power elite families, amazed she got past 20 tbh.

― calzino

i still sometimes think about what the butthole surfers did to amy carter

As a sock placed over someone's hand with buttons for eyes, I think Freddie B speaks eloquently for all of Europe.

there is no way fred b is a sockpuppet come on

no way, it's tuomas creating an insufferable danish sockpuppet to forward his fervent finnish nationalism

this is the first explanation that really makes sense when you think about it

i mean, danish highways, come on