turning a big dial taht says "Racism" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right— wint (@dril) March 15, 2017
― gyac, Thursday, 22 November 2018 18:14 (five years ago) link
god hilary is the worst
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 November 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link
In a strong field
― Mama Weer All Tankee Now (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 November 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
inconvenient people fleeing your bombing campaigns
fwiw, a high percentage of refugees into Europe in the past several years were fleeing Assad's bombing campaign, which I don't think you can pin on HRC. otoh, the outcome of the NATO campaign to oust Gadhafi has generated plenty of refugees and HRC was a big driver behind that one, along with the French president. Also, plenty of refugees are just fleeing wretched poverty and social violence, not bombs.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 22 November 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
Yeah I was thinking of Libya when I said that.
Also, plenty of refugees are just fleeing wretched poverty and social violence, not bombs.
This is an argument used to deny entry to any refugees into Europe though - “they’re all economic migrants!!!1”.
― gyac, Thursday, 22 November 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
fleeing Assad's bombing campaign, which I don't think you can pin on HRC
libya otoh...
― k3vin k., Thursday, 22 November 2018 19:37 (five years ago) link
did you read my post?
otoh, the outcome of the NATO campaign to oust Gadhafi has generated plenty of refugees and HRC was a big driver behind that one, along with the French president.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 22 November 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
lots of obvious dunks here but I do enjoy (and am hardly alone in noticing) how this nicely parrots the trash Angela Nagle published yesterday
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.)
couldn't help but read this but "obvious drunks" and as always, this is a great idea
"fish hook theory" was endorsed by a cartoon in "the book of the subgenius" back in the 1980s, i'm not sold on it as a political philosophy
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Thursday, 22 November 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
whats it mean, that there's only 'us' and the far-right?
why give that a name, "with us or against us" is old as the hills
― old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Thursday, 22 November 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
That the centre will always gravitate towards the right rather than give anything to the left - or that centrist opinions are very close to far right ones.
― gyac, Thursday, 22 November 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
The name is mostly turning the idea of ‘horseshoe theory’ back on the people promoting it. Liberalism = fascism is not necessarily useful analysis.
The idea that, given a choice between accommodating left-wing ideas and appeasing the far-right when forced to pick between the two, a lot of people who think of themselves as the sensible centre are more comfortable with the latter seems pretty undeniable though. Understanding how they can be stopped is hugely important.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 22 November 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link
i'm glad to see the concept of "social fascism" is back in vogue, it doesn't make one sound at all like a tankie
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Thursday, 22 November 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
Probably not a great look to refer to someone who would feel the sharp end of mainstreaming fascist ideas as a tankie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― gyac, Thursday, 22 November 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link
Ahem
― Mama Weer All Tankee Now (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 22 November 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
none of this would've happened if Trump kept his promise and locked her up. ugh.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 November 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
Trump's campaign was also based on blatant misogyny but Hilary seems oddly circumspect on whether the 2020 Democrat nominee should talk about hating women a bit more.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 November 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link
IS IT possible to think Hillary's article is awful and pandering and dangerous, but also Calzino's post about her teeth was a bit gross and also sexist?
― Jacob Lohl (stevie), Thursday, 22 November 2018 22:53 (five years ago) link
anythings possible but sexist is a bit of a stretch
― old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:04 (five years ago) link
no I’m afraid you need to choose xp
― k3vin k., Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:06 (five years ago) link
I was posting about Chelsea's teeth and it isn't sexist because for starters the Clintons aren't even human beings.
― calzino, Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:15 (five years ago) link
Poor chelsea. If I was subject to the kind of harsh media spotlight she was as a teen I’d be a mess.
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link
Nobody doubts that
― Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
It's hard out their for the progeny of America's power elite families, amazed she got past 20 tbh.
― calzino, Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link
Idk I feel like it would suck to be her
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link
money doesn't buy happiness
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:39 (five years ago) link
Also her parents do stuff like advise the “center left” to adopt the bannon line on migrants 4 the votes
― Trϵϵship, Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:44 (five years ago) link
having racist arseholes for parents is nothing new! Sorry if I've offended anyone, but these sociopaths make my blood boil. I feel they are fair game and don't deserve any protection after all the shitty domestic and foreign policies they've wrought onto the world over decades, whilst lining their pockets. They literally make me want to vomit. But this is US matters, so I'll stfu.
― calzino, Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:49 (five years ago) link
she's running
― flopson, Thursday, 22 November 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link
hopefully into the mouth of an active volcano
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 23 November 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link
Clinton made the "We came, we saw, he died" comment on Gaddafi, and now some leftists think she started and was involved in every aspect of the Libyan uprising— jonny sunn o))) 🍩🤝🌹 (@DSA_Boletaria) November 22, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 23 November 2018 00:28 (five years ago) link
centrists are as bad at posting
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 23 November 2018 01:01 (five years ago) link
are we pretending that Secretary of State isn't an important foreign policy role in the US and that the intervention didn't help oust Gaddafi?
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 23 November 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link
for the purposes of bad centrist posting?
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 23 November 2018 01:04 (five years ago) link
You thought people who issued passports were “imperialists”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 23 November 2018 01:12 (five years ago) link
You're not even sharing popular centrist garbage, do you actually follow these weirdos or do you just search for whatever is mentioned on ILX to find Twitter backup?
― louise ck (milo z), Friday, 23 November 2018 01:49 (five years ago) link
what
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 23 November 2018 01:52 (five years ago) link
"we came, we saw, he died" was a horrible and unbelievably tone-deaf thing to say
even putting aside whether libya was a good idea or whether it was appropriate for someone in clinton's position to publicly crow like that over the death of anyone, it is not a great look for someone who's just participated in a military intervention to start paraphrasing julius caesar
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 23 November 2018 01:57 (five years ago) link
There is a case that this bottleneck century (overpopulation + climate change + global poor outbid for calories + refugee flows that dwarf current ones) will offer a fertile ground for nationalist demagoguery and outright fascism throughout the developed world. It's a huge risk for liberal freedoms and social welfare systems. The demographic and food security projections are really dire. Military scenario planners have been using phrases like "lifeboat Britain" since the early aughts, and from public comments I'm certain that leaders like Macron have gotten their lifeboat ethics briefing.
So, I won't fault HRC for this tweet. At some point, one does the math on UN population projections and FAO food security indicators and climate change effects on crop yields and one hopes to not live to see the other side of the historical equation.
― Sanpaku, Friday, 23 November 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
please hillary just go away
― calstars, Friday, 23 November 2018 02:13 (five years ago) link
Can we be shitty to the Bush daughters now? Or Ivanka? Because that fruit is so low I think I grew balls.
― Yerac, Friday, 23 November 2018 02:38 (five years ago) link
the only thing worse than hillary clinton is people talking about hillary clinton
― macropuente (map), Friday, 23 November 2018 02:42 (five years ago) link
you don't have to ask
― flappy bird, Friday, 23 November 2018 04:02 (five years ago) link
Clinton made the "We came, we saw, he died" comment on Gaddafi, and now some leftists think she started and was involved in every aspect of the Libyan uprising— jonny sunn o))) 🍩🤝🌹 (@DSA_Boletaria) November 22, 2018― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:28 PM (three hours ago)
what in the shit is your deal exactly
― k3vin k., Friday, 23 November 2018 04:24 (five years ago) link
is he gabbn3b?
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 23 November 2018 04:25 (five years ago) link
You people are dumb
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 November 2018 04:31 (five years ago) link
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:12 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
What're you even talking about, you massive weapon
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 23 November 2018 05:04 (five years ago) link
Not to be all 'no you're the know-it-alls' but Hillary is talking about Europe, and as a European I'd just like to point out that the refugee crisis was about Syrian refugees, and I don't think anyone really cares about Libya. Except Italy, but nobody really cares about Italy either. This whole discussion is kinda besides the point.
― Frederik B, Friday, 23 November 2018 08:54 (five years ago) link
nobody really cares about Italy either
ok then
― groovemaaan, Friday, 23 November 2018 08:55 (five years ago) link
The refugee "crisis" has never been about one incident or one group of people as far as I can tell but hey maybe if the US and its client states had bombed Syria a bit more we wouldn't be having this problem
― Mama Weer All Tankee Now (Noodle Vague), Friday, 23 November 2018 09:12 (five years ago) link
ah yes the 20th century when poor ppl finally knew hunger
― old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Friday, 23 November 2018 09:24 (five years ago) link