"Ingmar Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

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he had VILE and EVIL tattooed on his toes

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 21:53 (eleven months ago) link

Sexily vile.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 21:54 (eleven months ago) link

Watching the "Trilogy" first is the correct answer, but I would add...

Dreams is worthwhile, it has a slightly different look for Bergman - more lush I'd say - and excellent performances.

Brink of Life has almost a Hollywood-type structure, though it goes places Hollywood probably wouldn't have in 1958. Recommended.

From the late period, I found From the Life of Marionettes quite interesting, at least stylistically

Dud: The Touch, The Serpent's Egg - his only two English-language films, which may not be coincidental

All These Women is such an oddity in his oeuvre, I don't know whether to call it a dud or a curiosity

Josefa, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 22:54 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

watched The Silence tonight, as soon as I saw that guy on the ladder with the fixed expression of goofy horror/surprise, I was sure this was Bergman's Fellini parody: the dwarves, the male lover holding his shoe by the laces, the setting, the debauchery. I was sure I'd find a whole subsection on the wiki page about this, but nope - lumped in as one of these modernist films, of a piece with Marienbad and Belle du Jour (!). no way. it's such a break for Bergman and an obvious comment on the Italian directors... anyway, The Silence was great and better than all of Fellini's films combined.

flappy bird, Monday, 14 January 2019 05:24 (nine months ago) link

now reading that his following film, All These Women, is a straight up 8 1/2 parody

buy the box people

flappy bird, Monday, 14 January 2019 05:27 (nine months ago) link

It's out of print already! But they say it'll be available again next month.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Monday, 14 January 2019 08:23 (nine months ago) link

Hoping this leads to more big single-director sets.

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 14 January 2019 08:30 (nine months ago) link

me too, & though we probably won't see something as amazing and insane as the Bergman box for a while, directors with 10 or fewer films could be manageable. they already have the Tati box, they could do a Tarkovsky box but Kino has Nostalghia and they just put out The Sacrifice (would be perfectly happy with a nice Mirror disc no matter who puts it out). Bresson is doable.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:37 (nine months ago) link

I read rumors (on ILX?) that there's supposed to be a big Kiarostami box from CC this year. Maybe that'll turn out just to be the Koker Trilogy.

The Non-Verbal Signs Your Mod Is Giving You (WmC), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 03:57 (nine months ago) link

It all comes down to who holds the rights. Bergman and Kurosawa boxes happened because most of their films are owned by single entities who'll mega-license.

It's been floated on other forums that the next collections could be (in addition to Kiarostami) Ozu, Fassbinder, or even a retooled upgrade of Kurosawa, now that some more of his films are in play.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:02 (nine months ago) link

there's at least a dozen Fassbinder movies that have never had a region 1 release afaik

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 04:03 (nine months ago) link

I could almost see them doing a series of Fassbinder sets ala EMI's Bowie vinyl boxes.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 05:02 (nine months ago) link

There's a Tarkovsky box in the UK with all 7 films. The BFI Ozu and Kurosawa releases were annoyingly incomplete though.

koogs, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 06:59 (nine months ago) link

Tarkovsky box (by Curzon/Artificial Eye) is sold out at source and (maybe by accident) includes a terrible transfer of Stalker. Criterion did a stand-alone Stalker which was much better. Agree that it all comes down to who owns the rights but Criterion have also done a restoration of Andrei Rublev recently so maybe the rights could be acquired idk.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 12:07 (nine months ago) link

there've been individual BR releases of everything(?) that was in the dvd box that i bought 5 or 6 years ago, i'd assumed they were all upgrades. and they are all available everywhere (seemingly)

BR box set, £40, amazon - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sculpting-Time-Tarkovsky-Collection-Blu-ray/dp/B074ZXQ226/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1547554845&sr=1-1&keywords=Andrei+Tarkovsky

koogs, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 12:21 (nine months ago) link

oh, i see now that Ivan, Solaris and Stalker individual BRs are criterion editions and the others are from that box, Artificial Eye versions.

koogs, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 12:26 (nine months ago) link

oh ok, this is the one I was thinking of (which I have), no idea how the content differs (if at all) from your one:



the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 12:27 (nine months ago) link

All of the Artificial Eye Tarkovsky BRs are meant to be 'remastered'. I bought the stand alone Nostalgia disc for £6 in Fopp - it is a significant upgrade on their previous, abysmal DVD, but still doesn't look that sparkling. Anagram is right that the Criterion Stalker - and Solaris - BRS available in the UK are much superior, and I'm guessing that their Andrei Rublev will be as well (I'm not even sure which cut of Rublev AE used for their disc).

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 12:30 (nine months ago) link

Funnily enough I've been looking into this recently (this should really be on a Tarkovsky thread, but since we're here...) Criterion just did a new BR restoration of Andrei Rublev which contains both the 185m (Tarkovsky-approved) cut and a longer 205m cut, but it's only been released in the US (so Region 1 only) and is unlikely to be released in the UK since it contains a scene of animal cruelty which contravenes UK film legislation. (I assume all currently available UK versions don't contain this scene.) Criterion won't release the uncut version in the UK.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 12:39 (nine months ago) link

*cut* version, I meant to say.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 12:40 (nine months ago) link

The BBFC are notoriously inconsistent when it comes to animal cruelty in films - generally, the artier the movie, the more lenient they are, so they might well pass the full version of Rublev uncut. As I understand it, Tarkovsky himself came to prefer the slightly shorter version, tho it is good to be offered the choice.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 12:44 (nine months ago) link

so Linn Ullmann, who's written several novels, has finally penned one based on her relationship with her famous parents. She was profiled in the NYT Magazine last week.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 January 2019 18:41 (nine months ago) link

Reading the Linn Ullmann book now, it's good. Lotsa detail about IB's personal habits, daily life at the house on Fåro, and the complicated dynamics of the Bergman/Ullmann family. Passages where she's trying to interview her dad as he's entering his dotage near the end are naturally pretty sad. Not yet clear on why this is called a novel instead of a straight-up memoir with names omitted.

Josefa, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 14:46 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

RIP Bibi


flappy bird, Sunday, 14 April 2019 18:18 (six months ago) link


xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 18:59 (six months ago) link

otherwise fine NY Times obit has a mistake in it:

In addition to winning four Guldbagge Awards, the Swedish equivalent of the Oscar, she was named best actress at the Cannes Film Festival in 1958 for “Nara Livet” (“Brink of Life”), sharing the award with three co-stars, and best actress at the Berlin Film Festival in 1963 for the title role in “Alskarinnan” (“The Mistress”). Paradoxically (and surprisingly, to many), neither was a Bergman film.

Brink of Life is a Bergman film, and a great one at that. Not sure of its availability outside the Criterion boxset.

flappy bird, Sunday, 14 April 2019 23:51 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

It's still second tier Bergman -- the script is worse than the direction -- but I've realized I've been wrong about Autumn Sonata because I've denied how closely it cuts to the bone. I know way too many mothers and daughters in this same cycle of rage and affection.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:55 (four months ago) link

I've started working my way again through Bergman chronologically, I've only gotten to Port of Call so far. Can't wait til I get to the later stuff

Dan S, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:59 (four months ago) link

I'm working my way through the big criterion collection box. Still only about a quarter of the way through. Trying to keep track of my Bergman power rankings as I proceed. There have been some nice surprises so far and a couple duds. A whole bunch of ones I've never seen before too.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 02:58 (four months ago) link

I saw The Virgin Spring yesterday at sort of a sparsely attended screening. even knowing the movie going in I underestimated how unbelievably harrowing and intense it is on a big screen and with other people, who were all either dead silent or openly weeping.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 04:03 (four months ago) link

that's the kind of screening I want to attend

Dan S, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 05:06 (four months ago) link

I just realized I've never seen any of his films on the big screen. Hopefully I'll be able to rectify that someday.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 05:10 (four months ago) link

To me "showing cycles of rage and affection" is something that makes it 1st tier. Can't say I know what you mean on the direction, probably because I don't quite know how to evaluate that stuff.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 06:42 (four months ago) link

The staging and framing are often A+; the writing too on-the-nose (probably one offscreen death too many).

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 10:27 (four months ago) link

I reckon he takes quite a lot of risks with that script, hence maybe why you feel it's on-the-nose.

It does feel like Bergman is doing a session of psychoanalysis and ends up breaking people lol.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 10:59 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

was Summer With Monika really the film that made US critics/audiences recognize that Sweden had a more sexually liberated culture? if so, that’s interesting

Dan S, Saturday, 6 July 2019 01:00 (three months ago) link

I loved Smiles of a Summer Night

Dan S, Saturday, 13 July 2019 23:31 (three months ago) link

That was a new one to me when I got the criterion set, and it's probably my favorite find, absolutely delightful.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 14 July 2019 04:11 (three months ago) link

his best comedy - his only good comedy? the ones I've seen (Waiting Women and All These Women) are terrible

flappy bird, Sunday, 14 July 2019 05:16 (three months ago) link

Have never seen The Devils's Eye, is that a bad comedy too?

Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Sunday, 14 July 2019 08:51 (three months ago) link

I'd like to hear any review of The Devil's Eye, one of the very few classic period Bergmans I've not seen.

HIs birthday today - 101

Josefa, Sunday, 14 July 2019 14:22 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

wasn't expecting to love Wild Strawberries so much, seeing it again after decades

Dan S, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 00:58 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

have been re-reading the thread. I guess you could call Wild Strawberries ‘life-affirming’. I just really liked how much of a fantasia it was, mixing absurd real events, dreams, and memories in the protagonist’s path from withdrawal to engagement. Victor Sjöström was great in it

Dan S, Friday, 30 August 2019 23:17 (one month ago) link

thought To Joy was one of the strangest and most interesting of his early films

Dan S, Sunday, 1 September 2019 23:52 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

I enjoyed seeing the 60s Bergman films that are supposed to form a trilogy - Through a Glass Darkly, Winter Light, and The Silence.

According to Bergman “these three films deal with reduction: Through a Glass Darkly – conquered certainty; Winter Light – penetrated certainty; The Silence – God's silence, the negative imprint.”

They are very dark (The Silence also has a lot of humor), but they are all fantastic

Dan S, Friday, 20 September 2019 02:25 (one month ago) link

thought The Silence did seem somewhat Fellini-esque as flappy bird mentioned above, mostly the sections with the the child

Dan S, Friday, 20 September 2019 02:25 (one month ago) link

Those are coming up soon in my Bergman box. I haven't seen them in about 15 years, but I remember them all being brutally bleak.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 20 September 2019 02:28 (one month ago) link

they all seem to be focused on the acknowledgement of the silence of god, and the choices that the characters then have about how to live their lives: Through a Glass Darkly ultimately concluding that god is love amid the scenes of hopelessness; Winter Light, in which rational discussions of love for and belief in god and belief in human relationships reveal them to be problematic, with some hope ultimately offered for faith; The Silence, even further diminishing our confidence in faith but also maybe elevating it, offering of a huge ray of light with the character of Johan1

Dan S, Friday, 20 September 2019 02:45 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Ended up skipping over Persona, Hour of the Wolf, The Passion of Anna, and Cries and Whispers for the moment and watching Scenes from a Marriage, the theatrical version. The first time I saw it was as a teenager. It feels now like it was of its time, in a good way

Dan S, Saturday, 5 October 2019 00:47 (two weeks ago) link

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