I don't really know why someone wouldn't also like "All Day and All of the Night" if they like "You Really Got Me".
yeah this just weird to me, the sound of those records is just perfect
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:56 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I always associated "Until the End of the Day" as part of that trilogy in my mind
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
worst Kinks song lyrically has got to be "Art Lover", no question. despite Ray's reputation as a world-class lyricist he has a tendency to be really clunky when he writes outside his niche.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
I'd not heard black messiah... I think the accent is less straight up offensive than the one used to sing "i'm a king kong man, i'm a voodoo man, no i'm an apeman", it sounds more like sting.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link
How do we think the track Lola has held up on the problematic/unproblematic spectrum?
― triggercut, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:35 (five years ago) link
I think it's -- considering it's age -- remarkably good natured
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link
i love the kinks but lola is embarrassing imo
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
I think the “worst” line is, ”Well I'm not the world's most masculine man.” Why couldn’t the narrator be a masculine man?
― my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link
I think the story is even “better” if he’s a masculine man, no?
― my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link
this song was written in 1970
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
early 70s Ray Davies was like a proto-Nic Cage in the way he'd just randomly adopt non-existent accents
― frogbs, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
He's masculine enough to know he's a man. He's just not the world's most masculine man. xps
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
"Lola" seems fairly progressive to me tbh.
This is surely worse than any of the lyrical content in "Apeman"?:
"Everybody talking about racial equalityYeah, everybody talking about equal rightsBut white's white, black's black, that's thatAnd that's the way you should leave it"
I don't really know what's going on with Davies's accent a lot of the time. Even the pronunciation of "the only time I feel alive is by your side" in "All Day..." sounds like an imitation of an accent I can't really place. The rock history prof I TAd for in grad school told me it was just a British accent, though.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
"I am the world's most masculine man" would have been a funnier line, for sure.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
A valid point
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
I see that line — plus “I've never ever kissed a woman before” — as Davies’ way of assuring the listener that this isn’t a straight dude being seduced by Lola.
― my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:57 (five years ago) link
I always just read it as meaning that he was young and inexperienced. Assuming you're right, though, a sympathetic song about a gay man having a happy experience with a drag queen still seems fairly progressive to me.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I agree; I don’t think it’s an uncool song
― my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
I think the Kinks were fairly progressive for the time considering it all, and Dave Davies wrote about being bisexual in the 60s in his autobio including a relationship with Long John Baldry
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:06 (five years ago) link
dave davies is touring! i love the kinks i just think lola is not their best song by a huge wide gigantic margin
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
I'm surprised that "Shangri-La" never managed to become a huge hit. Maybe it was a couple years too early?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
i love the kinks i just think lola is not their best song by a huge wide gigantic margin
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, November 20, 2018 10:21 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah agreed it's not close to one of their best!i like it overall thoughpart of it was it was a song i liked hearing on classic rock radio as a kid
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
which in that context it felt kind of daring to me
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
I always just read it as meaning that he was young and inexperienced.
"Well I left home just a week beforeAnd I've never ever kissed a woman before"
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
... the preceding line suggests exactly that.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
― my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Tuesday, November 20, 2018 9:47 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I am the world's most masculine manHigh-T alpha with a red pill in my hand
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
xp Yeah, but there’s a difference btw. inexperienced and “no experience,” which is the choice made in the song. Even before “leaving home,” many blokes have snogged a crush or two (do I sound like I’m British?)
― my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
"Lola" is a great song whose sentiment has aged remarkably well imo
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
of the Brit pop songwriters of the era I don't think any of them were more sympathetic/empathetic to non-hetero-male POVs than Davies
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
Townsend, Lennon/McCartney, Jagger/Richards all p much simplistic cavemen by comparison when it came to sexuality & gender roles
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
I think you're over-thinking this tbh.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
davies definitely doesn't know what accent he's doing a lot of the time, he has a lot of fun with it
― ogmor, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
Y-O-D-A YOOOOODA
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
xp oh, I’m nitpicking for sure... it’s just the one aspect of the song that jumped out at me a little, from the “modern” pov (in response to the original question).
― my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
"life on the road" --underappreciated kinks song written from a POV of inexperience described in colorful detail (with a few lyrics that are nagl by today's standards) fun song, lots of good lyrics in spite of the bad ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsybNX5I2tQ
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
dedicated follower of fashion tho
― old yeller-at-clouds (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
any of those ruffle-shirted kinks songs are better representatives of the inexperienced narrator than "lola", which i realize now has always had a distinctively broey vibe to me
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
ok maybe not ANY but many
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
"Two Sisters" is a pretty gender-demeaning song.
― timellison, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 21:11 (five years ago) link
it's not as empowering as Lennon's "Run For Your Life"
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
lol
― timellison, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
The two characters in the lyrics of "Two Sisters" (Sybilla and Priscilla) were inspired by Ray Davies and his brother, Dave Davies. Ray was more introverted (and was the only one of the two married) while Dave was a party animal who was very outgoing. This clash of personalities was often the cause of many band in-fights, which would come out in their songs (ex. "Dandy", which is often thought to be about Dave).
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
Ran ‘round the house with her curlers on
― timellison, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 21:55 (five years ago) link
I can well imagine Dave doing that tbf.
― Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link
If we're talking pre-Muswell Hillbillies, then I would have went for 'Who'll Be the Next in Line?' or 'Come On Now' long before 'Two Sisters' ...
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 22:41 (five years ago) link
'Run for Your Life' is the obvious Lennon/McCartney example, but there's also 'Another Girl', 'You Can't Do That' etc.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link
The female harmonies of The Pursuit of Happiness are as good, if not better than, Fleetwood Mac's harmonies.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link
Since Moe does their lead vocals, referring more to the match of Kris & Leslie together, vs Stevie and Christine as lead vocals.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 00:42 (five years ago) link
Wait, we're comparing TPOH's backing vocals to Fleetwood Mac's lead vocals?? And finding the latter wanting?
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 01:43 (five years ago) link
Always a pleasure to pull out "Beautiful White" anyway.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 01:44 (five years ago) link
More comparing Lindsey on lead, with Stevie and Christine harmonizing. I've just been stuck on how pure Kris and Leslie sound, and how they elevate the band.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 02:12 (five years ago) link