Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here

lmao incredible

:-) (it's the kind of thing I like to drop during a conversation just to see what reactions it gets - most people just nod, only some go: "wait, what?")

cumtown is a homophobic podcast

b b-but dunking on gays and disabled people must be ok if these fucking brave lads of the left are doing it :O=

can't wait till those new contrapoints viewers proceed to eat up all her takes about nb people & male privilege that other trans women have been pushing back against

I know you second thoughted that but can you explain plz? What are her thoughts on nb ppl and male priv? Or is this just some TERF thing?

wait is contrapoints bad

Everyone is bad.

have watched at least 45 minutes of contrapoints and am fairly confident she is good not bad

There's a zero percent chance some adult men who run a podcast called Cumtown aren't total pieces of shit

oh that much is true but I'm not talking about them

I know you second thoughted that but can you explain plz? What are her thoughts on nb ppl and male priv? Or is this just some TERF thing?

― Mordy, Monday, November 19, 2018 11:49 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wish i cld find a good thread or post covering these bc i'm not a trans woman myself & don't want to misrepresent intracommunity discourse, but for now-- regarding her video "the aesthetic," there's been criticism about her using the "tabby" character as a sort of strawman, & her glossing over both in the video & in a subsequent (& then subsequently deleted) thread of the violence of gender non-conformance & her describing non-passing trans women as not quite women bc of their inability to pass

shld mb clarify by "her" i mean including takes she's endorsed, e.g. the male privilege thing is in regards to cosigning andrea long chu's thread about trans women having male privilege before they transition, which... others have pointed out is unnuanced for various reasons & however true it might sometimes be is rhetoric used towards explicitly transmisogynistic ends. also cosigning a thread from alc about gender being primarily determined by how society sees you, which overlaps w "the aesthetic"

there are certainly trans women & nonbinary people who agree w natalie on most those points (including alc herself natch) but a lot that don't, & there's something not-great about cis people & people who aren't circumscribed by those debates taking those positions to be self-evident when rhetoric at the v least adjacent to them is used to justify violence

*by "her takes"

what if it's the name of their dog

strawdog

oh nvm lol

i mean obv this isn't like a "cancelled" thing or w/e & i'm sure her videos on like incels are incisive

cosigning andrea long chu's thread about trans women having male privilege before they transition, which... others have pointed out is unnuanced for various reasons & however true it might sometimes be is rhetoric used towards explicitly transmisogynistic ends

oh cool i hate this argument

you're roundly otm here eric thank you

Thanks for the elaboration, eric. I haven't followed the response to her video on "The Aesthetic", but did find it murkier and more conflicted than many of her others. There is a risk if cis audiences are taking these to be the definitive trans perspectives.

There is a risk if cis audiences are taking these to be the definitive trans perspectives.

There's also a risk that some idiot will think the Tabby character is speaking directly to them, and encouraging them to hit people with a bat. Contrapoints has always been explicit about speaking for herself and only herself.

there's always a risk when you're speaking for a marginalized or minority community that ppl will take your opinions as definitive for the community and not just your personal takes with which others can reasonably disagree but it seems to me like we should credit natalie (and ilxors maybe?) to understand the difference, esp bc taking that as an assumption ("you're speaking on behalf of X group and these ppl in that group disagree with you") is itself a conflation of the individual + collective. anyway sorry for the digression + thk you for clarifying i can definitely see how ppl might disagree w/ her on those points (tho i certainly think she's entitled to have & express them).

her describing non-passing trans women as not quite women bc of their inability to pass

I...don't believe she did this, and I watched that video a couple of times?

it would be fine if you were talking about the mode

love these weasel takes which i consider to be at the v least adjacent to not-great

don't we have threads for this?

Technically we have threads for every post itt yes

in the future, all events will be automatically discussed by bots that comb through old ILX posts and copy and paste things into the appropriate threads

already got the wombat poop thread covered, we can use that in the bot training set

is the truther pony dead?

Ilx is a chat room, what are these "threads" of which you speak

Do they have a new album out? Is that why they are in the news?

they're all terrible because the medium is terrible

I too hate it when the still images are displayed in rapid succession, creating the illusion of motion

Hey I kept it out of the thread 😁 but I cannot see the appeal of people feyly blethering into a camera taking hours to make points that could be made in a paragraph of writing but mostly aren't worth making. This pushes all of my tyranny of humour buttons at once I guess.

See also: podcasts ffs

I'm not even close to wanting to make a coherent case here tbh, just noting that the YouTube mode of address grinds my gears like almost no other form of media :D

if that were still the format ppl worth watching were using, I'd agree, but that's becoming less and less the case (both in terms of length and style)

If there's a bunch of non-talking heads movies out there that'd be lovely as long as they don't feature theories

anyway NV sorry for trespassing on the safe space of the second thoughts thread, we now resume our regular programming

No problem, I figured this was a legitimate use of it for me to moan about this thing I hate without trampling dirt on the actual thread carpet

fucking whomst tho

belgian?

Stan M strikes again?

i think we accept they are spending all that money yes

xp this time I'm innocent!

i was talking about fries, from the tuber family

Seriously, there's no one who can sprinkle cyanide powder into his KFC bucket?

no kidding?

Jfc you're not getting any better

I seriously think this thread has cured me of the appetite for sweary Malcolm Tucker-esque "comedy" rancour for the rest of my life