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i don't even know what tik tok is

marcos, Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link

yeah it's for the youth
https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/5/18009260/tiktok-musically-youtube-challenge-vine

rob, Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link

not surprisingly FB wants to devour them: https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/24/facebook-musically-competitor/

rob, Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link

what % of Tik Tok users are in China, would be my question

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:39 (five years ago) link

good point. I should have just pointed out that Twitter has almost the same number of users as Reddit

rob, Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:06 (five years ago) link

this is the real danger for facebook imo

this sort of seems like a ... correct diagnosis, no? like a gresham's law of social networks, the less normal people trust facebook the crazier it will get? https://t.co/QCnPIuGrEb

— Matt Levine (@matt_levine) November 15, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 15 November 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link

i haven't read the referenced article because i have twitter blocked on my computer, but i'm not sure gresham's law would apply here - facebook is far more centralized than a site like for instance twitter is, and for extremism to increase there facebook would have to be okay with making extremism their overt business model. i think its particular doom is more likely to look like aol, but hell i can't predict the future

dub pilates (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 November 2018 22:58 (five years ago) link

I don’t think there is any evidence at all that Facebook is not ok with making extremism their business model

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 15 November 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link

it's possible. i think there's going to be a fairly significant push for the new house to put them under significant scrutiny. we'll see how facebook manage that challenge - calling us all "anti-semites" will only get them so far, particularly if they're courting the daily stormer's audience at the same time.

dub pilates (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 November 2018 23:41 (five years ago) link

what is a doom that looks more like aol? aol has failed in so many different ways over such a long time.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 23:46 (five years ago) link

a history of aol's acquisitions reads a bit like the golden state warrior's draft history before steph curry

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 23:53 (five years ago) link

what is a doom that looks more like aol? aol has failed in so many different ways over such a long time.

― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, November 15, 2018

AOL's failure is kind of like Yahoo!'s -- mostly just failure to admit you caught lightning in a bottle once and you're never ever going to do it again.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 16 November 2018 06:40 (five years ago) link

Er, Yahoo is the sixth most visited website.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 16 November 2018 06:48 (five years ago) link

How much of that is because they bought the default search engine slot in Firefox though?

koogs, Friday, 16 November 2018 07:50 (five years ago) link

(oh, it's back to Google again now, but for a while they switched to Yahoo)

koogs, Friday, 16 November 2018 07:53 (five years ago) link

Er, Yahoo is the sixth most visited website.


but they used to be #1 and it’s a long loooong way to fall (Yahoo is 10x behind Google in monthly traffic and NEVER COMING BACK)

they’re behind not-for-profit Wikipedia and user-generated Reddit

it’s a fine lifestyle business now, reliably turning cash into eyeballs. but not exactly a tech company, and fantasy football can only keep them at #6 for a couple more months

my point is, they’d be better off admitting to themselves they’re just a cash cow now instead of, y’know, trying to do things.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 16 November 2018 08:29 (five years ago) link

The thing I don’t get about this FB scandal is that I’ve literally never seen the effects of it? Like I’ve never seen anyone getting slammed by Soros conspiracy theorists for criticizing Facebook. Am I misunderstanding how this works?

crĂĽt, Friday, 16 November 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link

different filter bubble?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 November 2018 13:48 (five years ago) link

maybe it only happened on twitter

crĂĽt, Friday, 16 November 2018 13:57 (five years ago) link

the article's a bit vague about it, but I think those Soros theory articles were fed to conservative news sites (e.g., Breitbart)

rob, Friday, 16 November 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link

it wasn't just one conspiracy theory angle, is the deal

it sounds like it was almost all seeded to right-wing sites like beetbort, but the point in that type of campaign isn't to create a compelling single narrative as to why facebook is a net good. it's to cast doubt on facebook critics from as many angles as possible so there's no consensus or allied front that would push for a boycott or punitive legislation. you just want to make anyone who criticizes facebook seem like a crackpot

mh, Friday, 16 November 2018 16:00 (five years ago) link

it sounds like it was almost all seeded to right-wing sites like beetbort, but the point in that type of campaign isn't to create a compelling single narrative as to why facebook is a net good. it's to cast doubt on facebook critics from as many angles as possible so there's no consensus or allied front that would push for a boycott or punitive legislation. you just want to make anyone who criticizes facebook seem like a crackpot

― mh

i'm not sure they're doing a very good job of this tbh

dub pilates (rushomancy), Friday, 16 November 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link

the big problem is that there are still a lot of people using facebook and _none of them like it_

dub pilates (rushomancy), Friday, 16 November 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link

or maybe _some of them don't like it_

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 November 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link

_NONE_

j., Friday, 16 November 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link

even suckerberg seems to have lost his joie de vivre

j., Friday, 16 November 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link

with his dumbass posts about his stupid wonderful discoveries of life or whatever

j., Friday, 16 November 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link

never see those anymore

j., Friday, 16 November 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link

facebook is a self-maintaining birthday calendar that allows me to be as lazy as possible about stupid shit like birthdays. for this, i am eternally grateful.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 November 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link

At some point approx a decade ago I somehow exported the birthdays in FB to my computer's calendar, and I've had it activated ever since. Every now and then I drop someone with whom I have only fairly tenuous attachment a little birthday note - VIA EMAIL - and cackle to myself

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 November 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link

they must think you are a birthday genius. i do.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 November 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link

man even Facebook is running ads to say "let's all go back to the time when Facebook was fun"

don't really see companies that have to run ads like that having long term success

frogbs, Friday, 16 November 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link

domino's is certainly almost bankrupt after using a similar marketing maneuver

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 November 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link

coming soon: commercials where people on the street are asked to try a social network, they report that it's really fun and fresh, and then are shocked and amazed to be told they've been using facebook!!

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 16 November 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link

the Dominos thing was "we've always sucked" which is a bit different though similar I must admit

frogbs, Friday, 16 November 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link

when I sign on to facebook, I want to see a little ticker that says "craig is preparing your facebook feed" below a progress bar.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 November 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link

facebook finally gave me the motivation i needed to start actively ignoring the birthdays of everybody i know, i guess i'm grateful to it for that

dub pilates (rushomancy), Friday, 16 November 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link

or maybe _some of them don't like it_

― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton)

sure, i'm sure there are people who think comcast is the bee's knees, too. are we really heading for a world where no lazy overgeneralizations are permissible at all? i guess i can't complain too much about that.

dub pilates (rushomancy), Friday, 16 November 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link

facebook should produce a movie that is "A Christmas Carol" but for birthdays

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 November 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link

or they should acquire some of the most valuable birthdays out there. turn around facebook by turning around birthdays.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 November 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

jesus fucking christ

When signage for Doggy Style began popping up in San Francisco’s Noe Valley neighborhood last month, it was accompanied with the usual grumbling and eye-rolling about the city’s nouveau riche.

After all, a private members-only doggy daycare offering an “innovative dog experience” for up to $1,500 a month in a city in the midst of a humanitarian crisis over homelessness smacks of a well-groomed French bulldog yipping: “Let them eat kibble.”

Noe Valley SF, a hyperlocal blog, decried the Doggy Style co-owner Rachel Swann for “bringing ridicule” to the neighborhood, while comments on an SFGate article about the business ranged from scoffing at “people with too much time and money” to the vaguely threatening: “When the Bolsheviks are looking for the first people to shoot, club members will be at the top of the list.”

While critics were quick to lambast Doggy Style’s prices as exorbitant, its pricing is actually in line with other doggy daycare in San Francisco. High-end daytime dog care is a thriving and competitive market in a city fueled by tech wealth and disposable income.

When Doggy Style launches this month, it will be one of at least a dozen businesses that specifically offer “playcare” during work hours within the city’s 47 square miles.

Mr Muggles, located in the Mission District, offers monthly passes for unlimited daycare, Monday through Friday, for $600. A half-mile north, a monthly unlimited membership costs $630 at Wag Hotel, but with an added monthly valet service, the price can go up to $929 a month. At Tefani and So Dogcare in the South of Market neighborhood, an unlimited monthly pass costs $849, while at Bark Avenue Doggy Daycare in Mission Bay, a rate of $80 a day can bring costs up to $1,600 a month.

And at those prices, Fido is not just getting left outside in a doghouse. Some daycares have webcams set up for their owners to check in on their pups. Others provide daily photos and report cards, as well as neighborhood group walks on top of all-day play. K9 Playtime, located in the South of Market and South Beach neighborhoods, has “waterfalls and ponds” installed in its doggy play areas “with re-circulating filtered drinking water so your dog is well hydrated throughout their day with fresh, clean water”.

(...)

“We just struggled for years to balance the work life and the dog lifestyle,” Silva said.

Opening Doggy Style “is solving our own problem”, he said.

The high cost of dog care was another of the reasons motivating Silva and Swann to open Doggy Style, they say. Between the two of them, they have seven dogs.

“I was previously paying $75 to $85 a day,” Silva said. “People don’t realize how expensive it is to have a dog in this city.”

tacticool spank bank material (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:00 (five years ago) link

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

j., Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:03 (five years ago) link

meh. coming to you live from the bay area imho this isn't even close to all caps jfc

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:06 (five years ago) link

i can't stop turning the phrase 'innovative dog experience' over and over in my mind

tacticool spank bank material (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:09 (five years ago) link

a city in the midst of a humanitarian crisis over homelessness
“I’m sure the dogs don’t complain and that’s the most important thing.”
a city in the midst of a humanitarian crisis over homelessness
“I’m sure the dogs don’t complain and that’s the most important thing.”

jmm, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:13 (five years ago) link

if this is the same company called doggy style in philly they're just a conventional pet store supply place with normal prices the worst thing about them is their name

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link

not gonna google variations on the phrase 'doggy style' to find out while i'm at work, that's for sure

tacticool spank bank material (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link

acc to their website they have locations in philly, deleware and san diego

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link

dela

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:18 (five years ago) link


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