I'm not entirely convinced there WAS an equivalent group of fans before nu-metal, it almost felt like it created a fanbase for itself out of a very particular demographic that might not have bothered with metal at all in prior generations (or subsequent ones for that matter). Which is why I think focusing on rock bands might be a mistake.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link
What very particular demographic was that? These bands were multi-platinum in North America. I was 19 in 1998 and knew men and women of different races who listened to them.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
morrisp, the reason why i don't think the answer to the question is a rock band is that rock music is far far far less popular than it has ever been, especially among today's youth.
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 15:22 (five years ago) link
nu metal had a pretty broad listener base by 1998, but I still think of it as springing up from the midwest. At least it seems like Korn was big there before they were in the rest of America.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
Here is a data-driven answer: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/06WUOWdYQt9quBqMXCXQK9
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
five finger death punch
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link
yeah otm
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
Voodoo C. — I guess I’m not understanding what popularity has to do with it (or what an “equivalent listener” would be, if not a rock listener; even if there are fewer of them).
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
i think deej is approaching it from "what would those dudes from your high school who loved nu-metal be listening to if they grew up today"
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:15 (five years ago) link
and the answer is "probably not rock"
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link
i imagine that active rock chart is fairly representative of what those literal nu-metal bros from 1998 are listening to right now
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I was thinking behind just teenagers (I was past high school at that point myself).
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
The problem with the “rock radio” chart isn’t that it’s rock, it’s that it’s radio!
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:23 (five years ago) link
That said the edm argument is a strong one
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:24 (five years ago) link
Like what is bassnectar? Do they sound like incubus
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
was incubus nu-metal?
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link
xxp Yeah, I totally get it -- "the kids" don't listen to radio. I'm definitely no help in figuring out what today's sociological equivalent of the "nu-metal kids" are listening to. (I could ask a teenage family member, but I wouldn't even know how to describe the kids I'd be asking about!) I do know that the punk kids still seem to listen to classic punk (and an ever-evolving sprinkling of newer / local punk bands); maybe it's similar?
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link
they'd probably be into trap? i sort of feel like edm isn't macho enough.
― macropuente (map), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
i woulda said skrillex if you asked me 'round 2010 or so
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:37 (five years ago) link
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:29 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
more or less, in their early career. they had some funk metal with a clear Mr Bungle reference but also some songs with nu-metally riffs and turntable scratches. They toured with Korn during this period. Everything after the album S.C.I.E.N.C.E is no longer nu-metal at all and there was always maybe a bit of an alternative rock thing going there.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:37 (five years ago) link
i always thought of them more in the rhcp or 311 vibe than nu-metal, but i guess people my age started getting into them post-"Drive" (i was in middle school)
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:41 (five years ago) link
crow left of the murder was the incubus album my friends liked
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link
i mean, I really do think it's probably big mainstream rock/metal bands like Five Finger Death Punch, Greta Van Fleet, Hollywood Undead, Bad Wolves, Twenty One Pilots, All That Remains, Asking Alexandria, etc, but we – mercifully – no longer live in a world where the interests of disaffected white boys dictates the entire media landscape
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link
first bit yes, second bit gentle lol
― two Barongs don't make a Wight (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:52 (five years ago) link
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:43 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah that's like 7 years post nu-metal incubus
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:52 (five years ago) link
let's talk more about 90s incubus imo
fwiw the bits of nu metal culture i remember being exposed to make me think like korn and limp bizkit were about tapping into basic anger and aggression with a side of misogyny, i.e. the main emotional thoroughfare young white men are encouraged to take, and wallowing in it. i have no idea what the 2018 equivalent of that is because i have a low tolerance for that kind of expression and i actively avoid it (and i'm not like a music writer lol).
― macropuente (map), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:53 (five years ago) link
ok if we're really not going to talk about incubus some more: answer would be like, i dunno, ghostemane?
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:55 (five years ago) link
i want to hear more about incubus and i have snacks.
― macropuente (map), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link
xxp that's why i was thinking triple x
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
I got free tickets to this SnoCore tour that was Puya, System of a Down, Incubus and Mr. Bungle and the Incubus dude played a didgeridoo and my friend got so mad because there was this pretentious hippie guy in his freshman dorm (small college in iowa) who would get out his didgeridoo to impress girls and my friend hated that guy so much and that's all i got to say about that
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:06 (five years ago) link
xp. Early Incubus definitely demonstrates the diversity of nu-metal in terms of being quite an eclectic group, miles away aesthetically from the more arch exemplars such as Limp Bizkit (even tho there is some rap metal in incubus) and Korn in some respects, also not particularly similar to more "cool" nu-metal like Deftones with their 4AD influence etc. while still markedly falling under the category. They were able to avoid going stale when nu-metal became passé by simply segueing away from certain aspects of their sound towards others.
Incubus also not a particularly macho exponents of nu-metal, dreamy-hippy singer who played bongos and didgeridoo and was into environmentalism
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link
i like incubus they sound nice
― macropuente (map), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:17 (five years ago) link
who would get out his didgeridoo to impress girls
times up
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:19 (five years ago) link
i wonder where you store your didgeridoo if you're in a dorm. up next to the floor lamp i guess.
― macropuente (map), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:19 (five years ago) link
So gonna happen
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:21 (five years ago) link
at the time i didnt like this song but now i love it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8295rOMvtQI
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 04:42 (five years ago) link
half the name on that hard rock radio report are over a decade old!
this has been the case on rock radio since the '80s tbrr
― crüt, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 05:18 (five years ago) link
I looked at the top 10 artists on last.fm and I have to assume that these guys are the Slipknot of today:
https://i.imgur.com/b0xmxEe.jpg
― crüt, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 05:30 (five years ago) link
u think...lastfm is representative of what slipknot fans would be today?
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 05:32 (five years ago) link
what about this sort of thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQRsDx11pCg
― crüt, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 05:35 (five years ago) link
lmao @ wikipedia page for "megalomaniac"
Lyrical interpretationsLead singer Brandon Boyd says the song is not specifically targeting anybody - the song's meaning pertains to megalomaniacs in general with a particular emphasis on El Guapo from the American comedy film Three Amigos.[1]Music videoThe video shows images of Adolf Hitler interspersed with shots of the band and of many people who are protesting. As the video progresses, officers are sent to disperse the crowd. The speaker's podium rises very high - then it is revealed that the podium is actually a gas pump. The gas pump spurts oil over the crowd, while the main figure's head is consumed by a bald eagle and starts eating people that turned into fish.
Music videoThe video shows images of Adolf Hitler interspersed with shots of the band and of many people who are protesting. As the video progresses, officers are sent to disperse the crowd. The speaker's podium rises very high - then it is revealed that the podium is actually a gas pump. The gas pump spurts oil over the crowd, while the main figure's head is consumed by a bald eagle and starts eating people that turned into fish.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 06:00 (five years ago) link
suicide boyz is kinda on the verge i think...was trying to think of their name earlier lol
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 06:47 (five years ago) link
I suppose the latent audience I was thinking about was a kind of overlap between gothy self-pity and fratboy dickery, which doesn't really exist as a defined audience segment before nu-metal but has persisted since.
One of the reasons that EDM doesn't quite work is that it's eaten up the fratboy market but less so the self-pitying bit. Morose autotune rap seems to fit better in general.
(Speaking of which, does Lil Peep work here?)
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:56 (five years ago) link
It's kind of how in Britain Oasis tapped into this massive demographic that had always been there and never really coalesced around anything before, and ever since you've had this constant stream of bands aimed directly at the Oasis Fan.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:57 (five years ago) link
lil peep might fit, but sorta the way incubus does--he's a bit too graceful. suicide boyz feels closer to the heart of it, but despite some high youtube views they aren't actually making, like, hit records
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:11 (five years ago) link
i mean, for that matter, Peep has some massive youtube records (133 mil on the biggest) but those arent even really charting singles ... suicide boyz are further. limp bizkit had HITS
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:12 (five years ago) link
I know they're not nu-metal but lol @ Blink 182 collaborating with Steve Aoki.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:13 (five years ago) link
maybe i'm tripping though and streaming makes the 'hits' call more ambiguous. 63 mil is something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqtobIpZt68
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:14 (five years ago) link
i don't really know the answer to this thread but i'd like to echo that incubus has jams
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:21 (five years ago) link
a kind of overlap between gothy self-pity and fratboy dickery
Best exemplified by Limp Bizkit’s “Behind Blue Eyes.”
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhaHBVUSQ0
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link
Faith No More, making/inspiring the shittiest music on Earth since 1985.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
fighting words
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
$uicideBoy$ and that whole scene.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
yeah seconding $uicideboy$, that also corroborates the EDM thing by way of that producer Getter they work with a lot who also raps under the name Terror Reid.
― austinb, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:17 (five years ago) link
greta van fleet
― dyl, Thursday, 15 November 2018 02:33 (five years ago) link
Ben Shapiro
― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 15 November 2018 05:11 (five years ago) link
boom
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 November 2018 05:27 (five years ago) link
my 15 yo cousin listens to ‘knot
― flopson, Thursday, 15 November 2018 06:17 (five years ago) link
is country music the new nu-metal?
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 15 November 2018 07:02 (five years ago) link
Cuz it has hella fratboy dickery even if it’s low on goth
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 15 November 2018 12:31 (five years ago) link
I'm fairly sure that country music is the new country music but what do I know.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 15 November 2018 12:39 (five years ago) link
Are you familiar with Upchurch
https://youtu.be/B3KIuWhM24Q
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
Y'all wrote this whole thread and didn't say Post Malone?
― Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Friday, 16 November 2018 12:43 (five years ago) link
Post Malone is invisible to anyone who writes about music
― President Keyes, Friday, 16 November 2018 13:27 (five years ago) link
post malone isn't very aggro ... like aesthetically hes closer to drake in a musical sense even if image wise hes like a pretend metal head who croons about bon scott
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 17 November 2018 03:37 (five years ago) link
but maybe you're right!
The new Gesaffelstein vid seems vaguely relevant to the evolution of this type of dude?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3YPik6HTpw
― crüt, Saturday, 1 December 2018 02:37 (five years ago) link
Grimes
― pomenitul, Saturday, 1 December 2018 15:24 (five years ago) link
Former Five Finger Death Punch Drummer Jeremy Spencer is a Cop Now
http://www.metalsucks.net/2019/06/10/former-five-finger-death-punch-drummer-jeremy-spencer-is-a-cop-now/
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 10 June 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
nu lives matter
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 10 June 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link