Van Morrison: your views please

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So, that was purely to keep the copyright alive: Make it available for one day in an obscure part of the world (the UK)

Mark G, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link

The TV was playing (in the background) a Saturday Night Live episode from Nov. 4, 1978 — I snapped to attention when the Van Morrison performance, “Wavelength,” came on... the band is super tight, lithe, springy, fluid!

Anyone know who was in that particular band? Was it basically the crew from the Wavelength album?

I searched around but can’t find much info... the clip doesn’t even seem to be YouTube, where people usually lost that stuff.

my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 18 November 2018 06:45 (five years ago) link

*list

my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 18 November 2018 06:46 (five years ago) link

This one is from a few months later (Feb 79). Someone listed the musicians in the comments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsEdUH3j1KU

that's not my post, Sunday, 18 November 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link

Thanks!

my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 18 November 2018 18:57 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The new Prophet Speaks is Van's fourth album in 18 months, he again is with Joey DeFrancesco's quartet doing a mixture of originals and blues covers.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link

"The Prophet Speaks"

curmudgeon, Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

Almost Independence Day sounded even better than usual as I drove through Marin this morning. For a ten minute tune with a fair bit of repetition and sparse instrumentation, the groove and atmosphere pull you in and hold your attention. Beautiful way to start the day.

that's not my post, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 00:19 (four years ago) link

Van rules in a similar way to how Pink Floyd rules. Like, when I sit down and try to isolate why they are great, it evaporates completely and I’m left with “aw, geez, I guess I’m wrong — I guess they suck after all.” But then I hear just about anything by them and I’m like, “What am I talking about? [Pink Floyd/Van Morrison] RULES.”

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 00:26 (four years ago) link

speaking of pink floyd and van morrison. doesn't wish you were here sound like the guitar intro of almost independence day? and the guitar tone is very similar, those are both fenders?

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link

yes, i've always thought so too.

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:40 (four years ago) link

Van rules in a similar way to how Pink Floyd rules. Like, when I sit down and try to isolate why they are great, it evaporates completely and I’m left with “aw, geez, I guess I’m wrong — I guess they suck after all.” But then I hear just about anything by them and I’m like, “What am I talking about? [Pink Floyd/Van Morrison] RULES."

Oddly enough, not so much when they're together tho...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpFo_E9Fq2k

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:44 (four years ago) link

I recently spent a commute trying to figure out which live version of "Wavelength" is most joyous.

The answer is Bottom Line 78. But the exercise was instructive, partly because he so rarely does anything the same way.

And I have def come to the conclusion that the trait that I am calling "joy" is most of what I seek from van. It's different from quality or chops or happiness or energy or intensity or soul or whatever. It's the incantatory Dionysian abandon.

mitt the hoopla (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 23:31 (four years ago) link

It’s always amazes me that so many joyous tunes can come from such a surly, grumpy guy.

that's not my post, Thursday, 23 May 2019 04:13 (four years ago) link

Xpost, I like that version of Comfortably Numb. It’s not particularly joyous of course.

that's not my post, Thursday, 23 May 2019 04:18 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GqszEwXPlc

new album three chords and the truth out 10/25. first album of all original compositions since keep me singing

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link

new song is gorgeous

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link

speaking of pink floyd and van morrison. doesn't wish you were here sound like the guitar intro of almost independence day?

And they both sound like Moonlight Mile.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link

New song is lovely - the gentle huff and wheeze of a pair of bellows returning to rest.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 18:03 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Interview with Ted Templeman about co-producing Van in the mid-70s. Van being a mentor?

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8531986/ted-templeman-interview

that's not my post, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 05:05 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

new album stands up with all of his recent original work, really awesome

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 11 November 2019 00:48 (four years ago) link

That interview was great.

Last album was pretty good, will give this one a listen.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 11 November 2019 01:20 (four years ago) link

There was an interview with him in The Guardian recently. It didn't go well:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/oct/31/a-duel-with-van-morrison-is-this-a-psychiatric-examination-it-sounds-like-one

"I look him in the eye and tell him that I am not trying to psychoanalyse him, that his music has simply meant more to me than any other throughout my life. There is something that moves across his face but I could not name it. 'Aehhh,' he breathes. "Well, shall we end it there?" I say, and stand and shake his hand. As I do I look at (his) notepad. In the top left hand corner he has drawn an angry rectangle."

I always wonder if interviewers treat interviews with notoriously stiff interviewees as a badge of honour, along the lines of Lester Bangs' series of interviews with Lou Reed. There's a comment on Mark Prindle's website to the effect that Lou Reed perked up if you mentioned pinball machines - he apparently had an encyclopaedic knowledge of pinball machines - and I wonder if Van Morrison has a secret hobby that is the key to building a rapport with it. Perhaps he is secretly an expert on Cookie Clicker, or the XCOM games, or perhaps he has a massive Transformers collection.

I can find no evidence on the internet that Van Morrison toured Japan in the late 1970s, around the time that Diaclone first came out, but Wavelength was popular and with the funds he amassed from that record he could easily have gone on a toy-buying spree. Wikipedia's article on that record contains the word "butt". I think the cover photographer was trying to make him look sexy, and amazingly it almost worked. I'm heterosexual, but I can appreciate why ladies might have found 1977-era Van Morrison attractive.

One of the comments on The Guardian's article mentioned an interview he did with Spike Milligan for Q magazine back in 1995:
http://www.raubenheimer.nl/spikevan.html

It's not much more illuminating, although they obviously got on together. "I can't mix my personal stuff with the job, so I just talk about my job. I'm not interested in selling myself, I just sell my records, my music. So I have to censor everything I say, 'cos if I don't, they just use it against me" he says.

The Guardian's inteviewer points out that two of his management team stayed in the room in order to ensure that everything remained on-message, and I wonder if they were scared he was going to blurt out something racist? He's in his seventies, old people are notoriously off-message.

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 11 November 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link

Also, who would have thought that a broken <br> tag in October 2001 would have made my words go small in 2019.

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 11 November 2019 20:58 (four years ago) link

he's never a good interview, i just think he's a very guarded person who also deeply dislikes all non-music-making aspects of the record business

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 11 November 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link

nine months pass...

See you soon on the 'notably infected and/or fallen thread':

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/aug/25/van-morrison-blasts-covid-gig-limits-pseudoscience

pomentiful (pomenitul), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link

He don't pull no punches.

Isinglass Ponys (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Even disregarding the message, that is a remarkably crude assortment of doggerel from the same guy that brought us Astral Weeks.

mirostones, Friday, 18 September 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link

Nobody, no, no, no, no, nobody stops me from loving you baby
So young and bold, fourteen-year old
Baby, baby, baby

indeed!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link

man’s a cunt, always has been

scampo italiano (gyac), Friday, 18 September 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link

ulster prod in backward opinion shocker

rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 September 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link

Ulster prods treated as generalised monolith on ilx shocker

Master of Treacle, Friday, 18 September 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link

King Billy was a cunt as well

scampo italiano (gyac), Friday, 18 September 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link

this is one of my favourite thread titles

mark s, Friday, 18 September 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link

Ulster prods treated as generalised monolith on ilx shocker

― Master of Treacle, Friday, September 18, 2020 11:18 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's tough at the top

rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 September 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link

he's just testing the water for his new album, 'a period of transmission'

kites aren't fun (NickB), Friday, 18 September 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link

I knew he was a curmudgeonly asshole, but didn't realize he was such a moron.

James Gandolfini the Grey (PBKR), Friday, 18 September 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link

yeah it blows

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 18 September 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link

If I ventured in the slipstream
Between the ventilator of your dreams
Where unworn mask rules retract
And the ditch into which I drop'd
Could you find me?
Would you close-a my eyes?
To lay me down
In silence easy
To be buried in
To be buried in

James Gandolfini the Grey (PBKR), Friday, 18 September 2020 20:48 (three years ago) link

No more celebrities telling us, telling us what we are supposed to feel

Take your own fucking hint, Ivan.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 September 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link

Fuck me, those lyrics.

Duke, Friday, 18 September 2020 21:11 (three years ago) link

The new normal, is not normal

pomenitul, Friday, 18 September 2020 21:13 (three years ago) link

If memory serves, he complained about the plaque attached to the house he was born in, in Hyndford Street in Belfast. I've walked past it many times. A tiny plaque. Such a massive dick.

Duke, Friday, 18 September 2020 21:16 (three years ago) link

as i said itt or some other van thread, it boggles the mind how such a dick could have made such incredibly joyous music.

that's not my post, Saturday, 19 September 2020 02:27 (three years ago) link

i'm pretty sure van was into scientology at one point so this anti-science stupidity is maybe par for the course

that's not my post, Saturday, 19 September 2020 02:29 (three years ago) link

He was born a Jehovah's Witness.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link

He gave thanks to L Ron Hubbard on the liner notes of Inarticulate Speech of the Heart

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:26 (three years ago) link

No more celebrities telling us, telling us what we are supposed to feel

Van Morrison was ever thus:

Did you ever hear about the rock and roll singers
Got three or four Cadillacs
Saying power to the people, dance to the music
Want you to pat 'em on the back

Lily Dale, Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:44 (three years ago) link


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