Your 2020 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread

agree with Οὖτις, some people evolve

up yrs Johnny Fever

I keed

look, when it comes to voting for democrats in the general election in meaningfully close races, that's one thing. but if you're going to sit here in 2018 and stump for this prosecutor to be the democratic nominee, you're a mark

and yes, (most) prosecutors are cops

the guy in philly and the guy in brooklyn and their ilk largely being exceptions

Consider the possibility that a black woman in America might have different motivations to become a prosecutor than are held by the majority of prosecutors, who are overwhelmingly white men, especially if that black woman then uses her experience as a stepping stone to higher offices that do not require a prosecutorial approach to various social issues.

^yes

people judging candidates based on their past careers/positions is kind of stupid imo. look at where the candidates are now and how they're triangulating their positions to get elected

harris aside, this is ridiculous

people can change but if you want to know who someone is you don't take solace in how they're "triangulating"

yes, agree with that

sure, what's her record

https://reason.com/blog/2018/01/12/kamala-harris-is-not-smart-on-crime
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/magazine/kamala-harris-a-top-cop-in-the-era-of-black-lives-matter.html

Reason is a libertarian magazine

liked that NYTM article, although 2 years old

I'm aware of what reason is, thanks. I can think for myself

I agree with your point about voting for someone vs stumping for them

don't think anybody you're talking to here is 'a mark' though

maybe let's relax with circling the wagons on harris then

lol unperson doesnt know when i'm treating him like a buffoon

instead I REVEAL MYSELF TO BE BOB DOLE

srly wtf am i doing here

Brenda Snipes might be asking herself the same question.

Broward’s elections supervisor accidentally mixed more than a dozen rejected ballots with nearly 200 valid ones, a circumstance that is unlikely to help Brenda Snipes push back against Republican allegations of incompetence.

The mistake — for which no one had a solution Friday night — was discovered after Snipes agreed to present 205 provisional ballots to the Broward County canvassing board for inspection. She had initially intended to handle the ballots administratively, but agreed to present them to the canvassing board after Republican attorneys objected.

“We have found no clear authority controlling the situation faced by the board,” said Broward County Attorney Andrew Meyers.

On Election Day, Broward County collected more than 600 provisional ballots. The vast majority were declared invalid by the county’s canvassing board judges for reasons ranging from registering to vote too late to previously voting to voting at the wrong precinct.

But a couple hundred provisional ballots were held in limbo. Those ballots were the result of a connectivity issue in the system that precincts use to look up voter registrations, said Pat Nesbit, the elections day operations manager for Broward County. Voters would swipe their ID and the precinct system would show they weren’t registered voters. But when staffers called the Broward elections headquarters, the voter’s registration would appear. Precinct workers had those 205 voters fill out provisional ballots.

@unperson I def get antipathy towards stunt candidacies even if I don't see the harm in safe-state votes like Morbs'. my only objection would be that leftists run for and win those lower offices you mention in literally every cycle

Beato beating Warren

in that same article

Former Vice President Joe Biden is the most popular Democrat in the potential 2020 primary, with 28 percent of Democratic and independent voters saying they’d most likely vote for him, according to the poll released on Monday.

Biden remains the front-runner even when 2016 nominee Hillary Clinton is included in the poll. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who also ran in 2016, comes in second place at 21 percent.

O’Rourke, who earned a groundswell of national attention in 2018, was ranked third with 7 percent of Democratic and independent voters backing him, garnering more support than other frequently touted potential challengers.

it's all just name recognition at this point

I promise to make sure my peers in the first-to-caucus state do a decent vetting job this time

nothing really heats up until mid 2019 tbh. we had the slate of possible candidates who did a quick swing through to help gin up support in this year's race but it was mostly known quantities other than that california mayor dude

Barack Obama: 47 years old at election.
Bill Clinton: 46 years
Jimmy Carter: 52 years

Biden, Sanders, Clinton, Warren, Harris, McAuliffe, Patrick, Brown, Cuomo, Holder, Landrieu will all be eligible for AARP in 2020.

Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Chris Murphy and Steve Bullock are within the age range of recent Democratic presidents.

Personally, I'd like to volunteer for a Moulton campaign, who I feel is the most electable Dem veteran, especially if he pushes Medicare for all + climate action. Any who don't see the positioning on Pelosi as smart maneuvering don't understand how Pelosi is viewed in swing states.

Moulton is a piece of shit, no warmed-over centrist trash in 2020, please and thank you

sorry if that was overly aggressive, i just don't think Moulton is in any way the answer.

If you want a veteran pick Tammy Duckworth

not stating this as an implict endorsement of Harris, but 56 is too old now?

Obama was a centrist. Clinton was a centrist. Carter was a centrist. The last time a representative of the Dem left was elected was 54 years ago. The last time a representive of the Dem left was elected having not served as VP was 86 years ago.

I want to win, I want to give a Left leaning Dem congress a chance to do things. The existential threat of climate change is the paramount moral issue of the day, and to lose in 2020, because we nominated some DSA approved character that couldn't carry swing states, will be a moral failing that will redound through millennia to come.

settling for an incrementalist in the face of climate catastrophe would also be a moral failing imho

I like Duckworth, but I'm hoping she becomes much, much better at public speaking. I donated to her Senate campaign, and I felt a bit crestfallen watching clips.

Bernie was not exactly an ideal candidate, but he proved that if you speak strongly about issues that excite people, age is not a primary factor.

Obama was a centrist

important to remember, in terms of electability and why certain candidates won elections, that regardless of what he was, Obama was perceived as a far left progressive candidate by a significant chunk of the democratic base, especially before the election. even now, a lot of people who dabble lightly in politics still perceive him that way.

and he didn't gain the momentum against Clinton in the 2008 primaries by playing up what a centrist he was, that's for sure

honestly I worry more about a left candidate having a genuine shot of getting the nomination than I do a left nominee actually winning the presidency. a lefty isn't going to win the nomination without a huge amount of momentum and enthusiasm behind them, it's not going to be like Clinton being the heir apparent in 2016. it's far more likely than not that the nominee is going to be A-OK with the donor class, even if they espouse some left policies. and perhaps the latter is the best we can hope for.

also the right portrayed him (and every other Dem "centrist") that way

xps

is there any chance of Sherrod Brown running because I think he'd be great

everybody is running

in other words, I think basically the same is true with Bernie as it was in 2016: he could beat Trump if he won the nomination, but I think his odds of being the nominee are still pretty long, regardless of his favorability rating.

This whole centrist-can't-win thing is complete horseshit. All you really need is some charisma.

Centrists can absolutely win elections, just not a hell of a lot else.

(this is true of all democracies AFAICT)

“Centrist” is too polite a word for people who won’t stand up to corporate power in the face of unecessary immiserarion and ecological doom. It’s not that they’re moderate, it’s that they’re sell outs.

No democrat thinks something like raising the minimum wage to be in line with real wages in the 60s is “too radical.” It’s stupid. They just know the donor class doesn’t like these kinds of policies.

Our politics is bizarre because common sense solutions to obcious problems, be it healthcare, the environment, or poverty, are decried as “radical” if they disrupt the flow of capital a little bit.

I’m “moderate” by temperament basically but of course I want medicare for all.

not a uniquely American problem but yes, the notions around what's possible needs to be radically reframed (or I guess we could all just die or whatever)

or I guess we could all just die

don't give them any ideas

Sorry I meant "non-centrist can't win." :P

lol DJI