Harder pulling ahead in D10 in CA
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:43 (five years ago) link
Er wrong thread
Nobody's gonna shift any Republicans, habitual or otherwise. Republicans are a death cult, and Presidential elections are understood as a strictly binary choice - My Team versus Satan's Team. (I'm excluding third party voters from this discussion because fuck those moss-brained suck-asses forever.)
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:49 (five years ago) link
...except those of us who live in irrelevant states, riiiiight?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:56 (five years ago) link
Are you disputing the moss-brained or the suck-ass
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:01 (five years ago) link
you cur, i am much closer to moss-assed and suck-brained
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:03 (five years ago) link
who sucked your head?
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:08 (five years ago) link
lads
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:11 (five years ago) link
I exclude no one. Vote third party in a "safe" state*, you send the message to moss-brained suck-asses in "unsafe" states that it's OK for them to do it, too.
*there's no such thing
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:12 (five years ago) link
I would like to unsubscribe from your newsletter.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link
unperson would you feel differently if at some point down the line a set of reasonably popular set of left figures took a stab at a genuine left party or do you see the US as uniquely doomed to forever be a two-party country where 40%+ just don't engage
(this is not a defense of jill stein)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link
Yes, I would feel differently if at some imaginary future point "the left" started focusing on running candidates for - and winning - local offices (school board, city council, mayor, state legislature) instead of just running for president in acts of public masturbation so egregious they'd embarrass Vito Acconci. So wake me up when that happens.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:31 (five years ago) link
you send the message to moss-brained suck-asses in "unsafe" states that it's OK for them to do it, too.
yeah, fuck that. such people would be thicker than you are, if they existed.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:35 (five years ago) link
wait a sec, i'm confused, i thought the Democrat Party was the only "left" in America
you know, the party that went to Trump's last wedding and took his donations
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:37 (five years ago) link
umperson, Nerdstrom and iatee probably have weekly write-hatemail-to-Susan-Sarandon parties.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:39 (five years ago) link
"in acts of public masturbation so egregious they'd embarrass Vito Acconci"
lol <3<3 this made my day
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:43 (five years ago) link
"have weekly write-hatemail-to-Susan-Sarandon parties" also pretty good
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:45 (five years ago) link
the political system of the u.s. is so heavily favored toward a two-party system (not just because of the established power of the current two parties but because we use a winner-take-all system rather than proportional voting) that even a reasonably popular third party couldn't just sort of co-exist with the existing two parties and share congressional space with them, it would have to become popular and powerful enough to replace one of them, the way the republicans replaced the whigs. so even if someone like bernie or whoever were to go off and start his own party, the results wouldn't be significantly different than perot in 92 or nader in 00, it would just be a weak party barely holding together around a celebrity candidate.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:56 (five years ago) link
You reveal yourself once again.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 November 2018 03:00 (five years ago) link
people judging candidates based on their past careers/positions is kind of stupid imo. look at where the candidates are now and how they're triangulating their positions to get elected
shakes are you fucking serious with this weak shit man
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 November 2018 03:18 (five years ago) link
agree with Οὖτις, some people evolve
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 03:25 (five years ago) link
up yrs Johnny Fever
I keed
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 10 November 2018 03:56 (five years ago) link
look, when it comes to voting for democrats in the general election in meaningfully close races, that's one thing. but if you're going to sit here in 2018 and stump for this prosecutor to be the democratic nominee, you're a mark
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:00 (five years ago) link
and yes, (most) prosecutors are cops
the guy in philly and the guy in brooklyn and their ilk largely being exceptions
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:01 (five years ago) link
Consider the possibility that a black woman in America might have different motivations to become a prosecutor than are held by the majority of prosecutors, who are overwhelmingly white men, especially if that black woman then uses her experience as a stepping stone to higher offices that do not require a prosecutorial approach to various social issues.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:10 (five years ago) link
^yes
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:23 (five years ago) link
harris aside, this is ridiculous
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:25 (five years ago) link
people can change but if you want to know who someone is you don't take solace in how they're "triangulating"
― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:26 (five years ago) link
yes, agree with that
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:28 (five years ago) link
sure, what's her record
https://reason.com/blog/2018/01/12/kamala-harris-is-not-smart-on-crimehttps://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/magazine/kamala-harris-a-top-cop-in-the-era-of-black-lives-matter.html
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:35 (five years ago) link
Reason is a libertarian magazine
liked that NYTM article, although 2 years old
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:59 (five years ago) link
I'm aware of what reason is, thanks. I can think for myself
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 November 2018 05:15 (five years ago) link
I agree with your point about voting for someone vs stumping for them
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 05:31 (five years ago) link
don't think anybody you're talking to here is 'a mark' though
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 05:44 (five years ago) link
maybe let's relax with circling the wagons on harris then
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 November 2018 06:28 (five years ago) link
lol unperson doesnt know when i'm treating him like a buffoon
instead I REVEAL MYSELF TO BE BOB DOLE
srly wtf am i doing here
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 11:30 (five years ago) link
Brenda Snipes might be asking herself the same question.
Broward’s elections supervisor accidentally mixed more than a dozen rejected ballots with nearly 200 valid ones, a circumstance that is unlikely to help Brenda Snipes push back against Republican allegations of incompetence.
The mistake — for which no one had a solution Friday night — was discovered after Snipes agreed to present 205 provisional ballots to the Broward County canvassing board for inspection. She had initially intended to handle the ballots administratively, but agreed to present them to the canvassing board after Republican attorneys objected.
“We have found no clear authority controlling the situation faced by the board,” said Broward County Attorney Andrew Meyers.
On Election Day, Broward County collected more than 600 provisional ballots. The vast majority were declared invalid by the county’s canvassing board judges for reasons ranging from registering to vote too late to previously voting to voting at the wrong precinct.
But a couple hundred provisional ballots were held in limbo. Those ballots were the result of a connectivity issue in the system that precincts use to look up voter registrations, said Pat Nesbit, the elections day operations manager for Broward County. Voters would swipe their ID and the precinct system would show they weren’t registered voters. But when staffers called the Broward elections headquarters, the voter’s registration would appear. Precinct workers had those 205 voters fill out provisional ballots.
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2018 11:56 (five years ago) link
@unperson I def get antipathy towards stunt candidacies even if I don't see the harm in safe-state votes like Morbs'. my only objection would be that leftists run for and win those lower offices you mention in literally every cycle
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 10 November 2018 12:37 (five years ago) link
Beato beating Warren
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link
in that same article
Former Vice President Joe Biden is the most popular Democrat in the potential 2020 primary, with 28 percent of Democratic and independent voters saying they’d most likely vote for him, according to the poll released on Monday.Biden remains the front-runner even when 2016 nominee Hillary Clinton is included in the poll. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who also ran in 2016, comes in second place at 21 percent.O’Rourke, who earned a groundswell of national attention in 2018, was ranked third with 7 percent of Democratic and independent voters backing him, garnering more support than other frequently touted potential challengers.
Biden remains the front-runner even when 2016 nominee Hillary Clinton is included in the poll. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who also ran in 2016, comes in second place at 21 percent.
O’Rourke, who earned a groundswell of national attention in 2018, was ranked third with 7 percent of Democratic and independent voters backing him, garnering more support than other frequently touted potential challengers.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:08 (five years ago) link
it's all just name recognition at this point
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
I promise to make sure my peers in the first-to-caucus state do a decent vetting job this time
nothing really heats up until mid 2019 tbh. we had the slate of possible candidates who did a quick swing through to help gin up support in this year's race but it was mostly known quantities other than that california mayor dude
― mh, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
Barack Obama: 47 years old at election.Bill Clinton: 46 yearsJimmy Carter: 52 years
Biden, Sanders, Clinton, Warren, Harris, McAuliffe, Patrick, Brown, Cuomo, Holder, Landrieu will all be eligible for AARP in 2020.
Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Chris Murphy and Steve Bullock are within the age range of recent Democratic presidents.
Personally, I'd like to volunteer for a Moulton campaign, who I feel is the most electable Dem veteran, especially if he pushes Medicare for all + climate action. Any who don't see the positioning on Pelosi as smart maneuvering don't understand how Pelosi is viewed in swing states.
― Sanpaku, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:46 (five years ago) link
Moulton is a piece of shit, no warmed-over centrist trash in 2020, please and thank you
― evol j, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
sorry if that was overly aggressive, i just don't think Moulton is in any way the answer.
― evol j, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:52 (five years ago) link
If you want a veteran pick Tammy Duckworth
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
not stating this as an implict endorsement of Harris, but 56 is too old now?
― mh, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
Obama was a centrist. Clinton was a centrist. Carter was a centrist. The last time a representative of the Dem left was elected was 54 years ago. The last time a representive of the Dem left was elected having not served as VP was 86 years ago.
I want to win, I want to give a Left leaning Dem congress a chance to do things. The existential threat of climate change is the paramount moral issue of the day, and to lose in 2020, because we nominated some DSA approved character that couldn't carry swing states, will be a moral failing that will redound through millennia to come.
― Sanpaku, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
settling for an incrementalist in the face of climate catastrophe would also be a moral failing imho
― resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:01 (five years ago) link