otm
― self (alomar lines), Friday, 9 November 2018 05:43 (five years ago) link
inslee will run btw, locally we are all planning on it (then constantine v ferguson for wa gov)
― self (alomar lines), Friday, 9 November 2018 05:45 (five years ago) link
a district attorney is not the same as a "cop" ffs
oh c'mon they are prosecutors which are basically the cop's evil twin
will not vote for her in primary if possible, would vote for her in general because of course duh
― sleeve, Friday, 9 November 2018 05:55 (five years ago) link
Gillibrand was comedically evasive on Colbert tonight, but the implication is--thanks to Tuesday night--her 2020 campaign office now has both a location AND furniture picked out.
― The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 November 2018 05:59 (five years ago) link
These people aren't going to Iowa and South Carolina for the culture. I expect at least two of the major contenders to announce before Valentine's Day 2019. Warren may do it before the end of the year, considering how eager she was to do that DNA stunt.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 November 2018 06:12 (five years ago) link
not that into Gillibrand either, what with the deliberately proud Blue Dog stance
does Duckworth have any negatives? I don't see any immediate red flags for me there
― sleeve, Friday, 9 November 2018 06:16 (five years ago) link
the deliberately proud Blue Dog stance
How recently are we talking? Because she's been no Blue Dog in quite a few years.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 November 2018 06:19 (five years ago) link
Maybe it's calculated and opportunistic, of course, but I also don't dismiss it out of hand. I'm a hell of a lot more progressive now than I was 10 years ago too.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 November 2018 06:21 (five years ago) link
She’s a combat veteran and a mother but the GOP will find ways to smear her for both of those things
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 9 November 2018 06:22 (five years ago) link
xps re duckworth
I'm just glad people finally seem to have shut up about Tulsi Gabbard.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 November 2018 06:26 (five years ago) link
Having donated to her first Senate election, Duckworth was one of the poorer public speakers I've seen at that level of politics. Halting, strange emphases, a charisma sink (despite the artificial limbs). She's much better on Senate committees, and I hope she's become more confident since.
Like or not, if we wants a combat vet to out silverback Trump on a debate state, its Seth Moulton. I saw the 2016 debates as an affirmation that Trump was a narcissist bully that shouldn't be let anywhere near power. Too many independents saw otherwise. That rapist posture, lurking, grabbing chairs, claiming all the oxygen in the room, was something they didn't reject out of hand. Winning those voters may take going Camacho.
― They Bunged Him in My Growler (Sanpaku), Friday, 9 November 2018 09:05 (five years ago) link
I am reliably informed that in the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police who investigate crime, and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders.
These are their stories. DUN DUN
― Glasnostradamus (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 November 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
a charisma sink (despite the artificial limbs)
Admit it, it would be pretty awesome if she had, like, cyborg flamethrower attachments
― Glasnostradamus (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 November 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
xp the DAs carry BADGES and they continue to INVESTIGATE CRIMES until TRUTH and JUSTICE have won the day
― j., Friday, 9 November 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
"Look at that statue. Do you see that blindfold that Lady Justice wears? She woke up in a bathtub and found that someone had harvested her eyes. And that's why I voted Blue Cop!"
― President Keyes, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
everyone knows how much I love cops and prosecutors right lol
people judging candidates based on their past careers/positions is kind of stupid imo. look at where the candidates are now and how they're triangulating their positions to get elected - a good candidate is one who responds to the needs of the electorate, and if that means they advocate for different positions than they used to, that's not necessarily hypocrisy or being untrustworthy, it's being smart.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
in trump's case it is 100000000% accurate tho
― Hunt3r, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
Let's Kill All the Lawyers
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 November 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
not sure what this is in reference to tbh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
I think Hunt3r's point is Trump's professional life accurately predicted his political one.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 9 November 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
trump represents actual valueless hypocrisy, the dark side of politicians responding to voters - here the con man as shimmering blob, morphing into whatever his marks want to hear at any given time, to be forgotten again minutes later with no consequences.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 9 November 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link
I happily voted for a woman who was a former CIA officer and had a photo of her and GW Bush in her TV commercial (as well as the same photo of her with Obama); she flipped a gerrymandered as shit district that was held by an asshole republican guy for ages and I don’t feel even slightly uneasy about this.
― joygoat, Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:00 (five years ago) link
morphing into whatever his marks want to hear at any given time, to be forgotten again minutes later with no consequences.
This is why, barring incontrovertible evidence of massive criminality, Trump will win the Republican nomination handily. He accurately mirrors what goes on inside the heads of his supporters, no matter how ignorant, misguided, racist, or nonsensical those thoughts might be.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:12 (five years ago) link
These people aren't going to Iowa and South Carolina for the culture.
up yrs Johnny Fever, some of the strivers actually visit to pump up interest in congressional elections
I'll admit that's the bare minimum of them, but it happens
I'll try to be more proactive in documenting the Iowa visitors who are the definite presidential strivers this cycle
― mh, Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:15 (five years ago) link
It will probably pay dividends for Dem candidates to study the effects Trump's tariffs and the Chinese countertariffs are having on Iowa corn, soybean, and swine exports. It may not be high culture, but taking a clear stand in favor of free trade in agricultural exports may shift a lot of habitual Republicans there...
― They Bunged Him in My Growler (Sanpaku), Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:32 (five years ago) link
As for South Carolina, I'm guessing that they've been historically dependent on German capital, like the BMW plant. Numerous German multinationals are holding off on further US investment for the duration of this presidency.
― They Bunged Him in My Growler (Sanpaku), Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:34 (five years ago) link
Harder pulling ahead in D10 in CA
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:43 (five years ago) link
Er wrong thread
Nobody's gonna shift any Republicans, habitual or otherwise. Republicans are a death cult, and Presidential elections are understood as a strictly binary choice - My Team versus Satan's Team. (I'm excluding third party voters from this discussion because fuck those moss-brained suck-asses forever.)
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:49 (five years ago) link
...except those of us who live in irrelevant states, riiiiight?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:56 (five years ago) link
Are you disputing the moss-brained or the suck-ass
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:01 (five years ago) link
you cur, i am much closer to moss-assed and suck-brained
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:03 (five years ago) link
who sucked your head?
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:08 (five years ago) link
lads
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:11 (five years ago) link
I exclude no one. Vote third party in a "safe" state*, you send the message to moss-brained suck-asses in "unsafe" states that it's OK for them to do it, too.
*there's no such thing
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:12 (five years ago) link
I would like to unsubscribe from your newsletter.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link
unperson would you feel differently if at some point down the line a set of reasonably popular set of left figures took a stab at a genuine left party or do you see the US as uniquely doomed to forever be a two-party country where 40%+ just don't engage
(this is not a defense of jill stein)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link
Yes, I would feel differently if at some imaginary future point "the left" started focusing on running candidates for - and winning - local offices (school board, city council, mayor, state legislature) instead of just running for president in acts of public masturbation so egregious they'd embarrass Vito Acconci. So wake me up when that happens.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:31 (five years ago) link
you send the message to moss-brained suck-asses in "unsafe" states that it's OK for them to do it, too.
yeah, fuck that. such people would be thicker than you are, if they existed.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:35 (five years ago) link
wait a sec, i'm confused, i thought the Democrat Party was the only "left" in America
you know, the party that went to Trump's last wedding and took his donations
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:37 (five years ago) link
umperson, Nerdstrom and iatee probably have weekly write-hatemail-to-Susan-Sarandon parties.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:39 (five years ago) link
"in acts of public masturbation so egregious they'd embarrass Vito Acconci"
lol <3<3 this made my day
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:43 (five years ago) link
"have weekly write-hatemail-to-Susan-Sarandon parties" also pretty good
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:45 (five years ago) link
the political system of the u.s. is so heavily favored toward a two-party system (not just because of the established power of the current two parties but because we use a winner-take-all system rather than proportional voting) that even a reasonably popular third party couldn't just sort of co-exist with the existing two parties and share congressional space with them, it would have to become popular and powerful enough to replace one of them, the way the republicans replaced the whigs. so even if someone like bernie or whoever were to go off and start his own party, the results wouldn't be significantly different than perot in 92 or nader in 00, it would just be a weak party barely holding together around a celebrity candidate.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 10 November 2018 02:56 (five years ago) link
You reveal yourself once again.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 10 November 2018 03:00 (five years ago) link
people judging candidates based on their past careers/positions is kind of stupid imo. look at where the candidates are now and how they're triangulating their positions to get elected
shakes are you fucking serious with this weak shit man
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 November 2018 03:18 (five years ago) link
agree with Οὖτις, some people evolve
― Dan S, Saturday, 10 November 2018 03:25 (five years ago) link
up yrs Johnny Fever
I keed
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 10 November 2018 03:56 (five years ago) link
look, when it comes to voting for democrats in the general election in meaningfully close races, that's one thing. but if you're going to sit here in 2018 and stump for this prosecutor to be the democratic nominee, you're a mark
― k3vin k., Saturday, 10 November 2018 04:00 (five years ago) link