lol yeah when i made that very pendantic post i realized what you were talking about
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
I'm listening to it again now. Still really patchy, sounds like they were trying various producers who all didn't work in different ways. A few tracks are actually really good. But some real stinkers too.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
I suppose I expected more from Latinx people. (Why do we always expect more of marginalized people? Must the onus always be on the oppressed to be engaged constantly in acts of critical resistance?)(From the Morrissey article)
― too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link
stop trying to make latinx happen
― niels, Thursday, 8 November 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link
That's a real "who's we?" situation there xpost
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 8 November 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link
I suppose I expected more from Latinx people. (Why do we always expect more of marginalized people? Must the onus always be on the oppressed to be engaged constantly in acts of critical resistance?) I expected, as society too often does, for Latinx people to walk, talk, and even rock in perfect parallel with their politics.
i don't mind latinx really anymore but i think the main problem w/ the piece is his assumptions that latinx people share some kind of common political or politicized identity or a shared experience of being marginalized & oppressed, or that latinx people would think morrissey's islamophobic comments are indicative of how he might feel toward his fans in latin america.
― marcos, Thursday, 8 November 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
like cmon dude do you know that there are people of latin american origin who are one or more of the followingrichracistconservativeislamophobicapolitical goths who just like the smiths
― marcos, Thursday, 8 November 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
Not all languages are like English, and that's ok. I'm not convinced that English's relatively genderless grammar has resulted in a less sexist culture overall.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 November 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
i think the main problem w/ the piece is his assumptions that latinx people share some kind of common political or politicized identity or a shared experience of being marginalized & oppressed
All "white" people are the sameAll "black" people are the sameAll "Latin" people are the sameAll "Asian" people are the same
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 8 November 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
yeah I thought this was really weird too
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 November 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
I think the real tell in the piece is
Another fan, Jose, made the three-hour drive down to Long Beach from Bakersfield to see Morrissey perform alongside more contemporary favorites. “Every artist is pretty problematic in their own way,” he said. “Everybody’s going to be supporting them, so it doesn’t matter.”Jose’s friend, Diana, said that they try their best to separate the art from the artist, especially when it’s someone they loved from a young age like Morrissey. “It doesn’t mean we agree with everything,” she said, “but the music is good.”
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link
otm
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
even for someone as completely online as me, enjoying certain artists is an act of compartmentalization
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
or reinterpreting the work through my own lens so i can disentangle it from the shittiness of the artist (never entirely successfully, but it happens)
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:11 (five years ago) link
^^^ my problem, among many, with political reporters aghast that Cubans are so damn conservative. What did you expect?
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link
Is the mental exercise Brand New for you or have you had to do this for awhile?
xp
― Evan, Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
― I like queer. You like queer, senator? (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 8, 2018 12:21 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I feel like ilxors are guilty of this too. Most talk about what certain demographics do or should think based on the particular perspective of well read people who spend most of their day on liberal politics forums.
― Evan, Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
― Evan, Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:25 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh god no i still can't listen to brand new at all
i was thinking more like... lou reed
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
pumpkins being the prime example - at least for me
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link
but honestly the only angst there for me is how shitty he treats his fans. Still.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link
Yes, and living in the US tends to exacerbate this problem for obvious reasons.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 8 November 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
twin sister album was a disappointment
― flopson, Tuesday, November 6, 2018 7:13 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
listen harder
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, November 8, 2018 7:40 AM (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yah, i'm gonna keep trying. i don't dislike it but my expectations were high
― flopson, Friday, 9 November 2018 00:23 (five years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/tv/15-docs/how-apple-created-musics-best-device-and-then-ruined-it/
so bad
― niels, Monday, 12 November 2018 08:19 (five years ago) link
I felt like this video is for people who miss the feeling of authenticity clicking on M*gaupload links gave them
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 November 2018 13:36 (five years ago) link
totally, it was a brand new physical sensation
― niels, Monday, 12 November 2018 15:15 (five years ago) link
Frank Ocean's Instagram Is Now Public
― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Friday, 16 November 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link
Starting to sound like headlines written by a pitchfork specific neural network
― Evan, Friday, 16 November 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
What Paul Dano is Listening to Right Now
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 16 November 2018 17:19 (five years ago) link
omg, that can't be real
― Karl Malone, Friday, 16 November 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
oh it's very real
― The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 16 November 2018 17:27 (five years ago) link
Paul Dano might be the reason you first heard Sufjan Stevens. While making the 2006 indie hit Little Miss Sunshine, the actor was obsessed with Stevens’ album Michigan and played it for his co-stars as well as the film’s directors. “Everybody got super into it, and then we went to see him while we were filming,” Dano tells me over the phone.
unknown musician Sufjan Stevens scuffling along anonymously after the release of Michigan, Seven Swans, and Illinois.
― omar little, Friday, 16 November 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
funny that that's published on pitchfork dot com, the reason i first heard sufjan stevens
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 16 November 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
i thought this was a joke, too. that is so weird.
i really like pitchfork, still. i scan the reviews almost every day, if there's a feature that seems interesting i'll probably check it out, and a decent amount of the news is newsy enough to keep on the site, i think.
i really wish there was a way to filter out whatever category of "news" paul dano and the status of frank ocean's instagram privacy settings is, though. take that out, get rid of the classic album explainered in 5 minutes (all featuring that terrible forgettable bland animation style and the voiceover robot guy), delete october...there would be less "content" but you might be able to scroll through it all without getting irritable
maybe move away from the state of the art 2014-16 internet design style of an endless series of boxes on a grid, too
― Karl Malone, Friday, 16 November 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
Until they drop or reduce the reviews I’m ok with what they do for clicks in the other parts of the site
― President Keyes, Friday, 16 November 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
IMO, online music news should be heavy on -- X artist is in the studio, X artist announces tour dates, X album release date announced, etc. Plus a sprinkling of legal/police blotter stuff as appropriate (though not overboard on that).
Pfork could be much heavier on those nuts & bolts than they are, I guess b/c they're understaffed?
― verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Friday, 16 November 2018 21:36 (five years ago) link
I mean, they're basically more a "fluffy features + reviews (+bits of news)" site rather than "music news + reviews," and I guess that's fine if that's what brings the clicks, but I think they could be doing so much more.
― verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Friday, 16 November 2018 21:38 (five years ago) link
Imagine if they were telling us Lucy Dacus was in the studio. The things we're missing.
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 November 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
Yeah - imagine being a music fan and wanting to read music news, what must that be like?
― verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Friday, 16 November 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link
not remotely scalable in an economy built solely on gaming google and facebook?
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 16 November 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
Not sure what that means, but I understand that they won't do it if it's not viable. I'd think they could even pay one person to keep up a "newsfeed" column or something, make the site a little more useful as a regular destination, drive a little more traffic, I dunno. I'm no Conde Naste exec.
― verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Friday, 16 November 2018 22:42 (five years ago) link
(Maybe most music fans follow 1,000 artists on social media, making "nuts & bolts" music news obsolete, and all they really do need to be told that Frank Ocean's Insta is now public.)
― verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Friday, 16 November 2018 22:45 (five years ago) link
now they follow 1,001
― Bing The Mighty Seat (sic), Friday, 16 November 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link
Feel like Pitchfork (and a lot of other internet publications, I guess) are trying to drive the narrative that Frank Ocean is like THE MOST IMPORTANT ARTISTIC GENIUS OF HIS GENERATION (his music is good, but he doesn't deserve that level of adulation just yet imo), and posting idiotic tidbits like his Instagram being public, are part of them trying to be like WE PLAYED A PART IN THAT, MAN. WE WERE THERE WHEN THE WORLD SHOOK AT THE FEET OF FRANK OCEAN, AND WE DOCUMENTED THAT SHIT IN REAL TIME. There was also a recent article about people who were re-selling the merchandise he was giving away for free during the elections. Who gives a fuck?
I know I'm yelling into a void here, but I just can't get past the "we won't even try to challenge the concept of celebrity being as valuable as, or more important than music, and by they way, we're very woke" thing that Pitchfork has been doing with increased frequency since the Conde sale, and I really shouldn't think about it as much as I do.
― triggercut, Saturday, 17 November 2018 01:19 (five years ago) link
“Who gives a fuck?” is my reaction to 90% of Pitchfork posts (but I guess I chalk it up to me being old / out of touch / not target audience / etc.)
― verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Saturday, 17 November 2018 01:50 (five years ago) link
Frank Ocean had an incredible impact on music tbh
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 17 November 2018 01:59 (five years ago) link
Beach House Are the Chainsmokers’ Type of Thing, and I Kind of Want to Die
― verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Saturday, 17 November 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link
Everything You Never Wanted to Know About Those Annoying Age Gates
― MarkoP, Saturday, 17 November 2018 02:38 (five years ago) link
Hot Sugar, Accused of Abuse, Sued Ricky Eat Acid and Fish Narc for Defamation(I LOL’d for reals at this one, purely b/c I’ve never heard these names. I’m sure it’s a sobering tale.)
― verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Saturday, 17 November 2018 02:43 (five years ago) link
https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/yahoo-serious-festival.jpg
― triggercut, Saturday, 17 November 2018 02:59 (five years ago) link
I keep wading through the garbage/fluffy news items about mumble rappers and EDM acts to hopefully get to the Massive Attack + Elizabeth Fraser expanded U.S. tour dates in my neck of the woods. Today, all I remember is something about smoke bombs at a Lil Pump concert. That is not what I wanted to read about.
― ilxor, Saturday, 17 November 2018 05:49 (five years ago) link