Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here

Yeah that seemed obvious

https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnCIloja5fTm73a/giphy.gif

Maybe have an all-purpose "the Internet is full of vile hatred let's curate it here" thread

Top 25 links of vile hatred on the internet in 2018

The stillness is the move

great song

Yeah i love it

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UoPYv0Kq-0

honeybunches of goatse

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he meant poc

^ that's a good one

woah woah woah no its poch, listen now

owning the fallen by staying in bed

"the unknown troller"

lol

when you look up the "thread of missing Fred" and it's already locked :/

something something basics something something middlebrow as fuck something something not really surprising something something

Morris dancers

"I am just going outside and may be some time"

democracy doesn't work because 50% of the population is dumber than average and 5-10% of the top half are evil/rich/psychopaths.

democracy doesn't work because 50% of the population is dumber than average

Lol.

lmao incredible

:-) (it's the kind of thing I like to drop during a conversation just to see what reactions it gets - most people just nod, only some go: "wait, what?")

cumtown is a homophobic podcast

b b-but dunking on gays and disabled people must be ok if these fucking brave lads of the left are doing it :O=

can't wait till those new contrapoints viewers proceed to eat up all her takes about nb people & male privilege that other trans women have been pushing back against

I know you second thoughted that but can you explain plz? What are her thoughts on nb ppl and male priv? Or is this just some TERF thing?

wait is contrapoints bad

Everyone is bad.

have watched at least 45 minutes of contrapoints and am fairly confident she is good not bad

There's a zero percent chance some adult men who run a podcast called Cumtown aren't total pieces of shit

oh that much is true but I'm not talking about them

I know you second thoughted that but can you explain plz? What are her thoughts on nb ppl and male priv? Or is this just some TERF thing?

― Mordy, Monday, November 19, 2018 11:49 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wish i cld find a good thread or post covering these bc i'm not a trans woman myself & don't want to misrepresent intracommunity discourse, but for now-- regarding her video "the aesthetic," there's been criticism about her using the "tabby" character as a sort of strawman, & her glossing over both in the video & in a subsequent (& then subsequently deleted) thread of the violence of gender non-conformance & her describing non-passing trans women as not quite women bc of their inability to pass

shld mb clarify by "her" i mean including takes she's endorsed, e.g. the male privilege thing is in regards to cosigning andrea long chu's thread about trans women having male privilege before they transition, which... others have pointed out is unnuanced for various reasons & however true it might sometimes be is rhetoric used towards explicitly transmisogynistic ends. also cosigning a thread from alc about gender being primarily determined by how society sees you, which overlaps w "the aesthetic"

there are certainly trans women & nonbinary people who agree w natalie on most those points (including alc herself natch) but a lot that don't, & there's something not-great about cis people & people who aren't circumscribed by those debates taking those positions to be self-evident when rhetoric at the v least adjacent to them is used to justify violence

*by "her takes"

what if it's the name of their dog

strawdog

oh nvm lol

i mean obv this isn't like a "cancelled" thing or w/e & i'm sure her videos on like incels are incisive

cosigning andrea long chu's thread about trans women having male privilege before they transition, which... others have pointed out is unnuanced for various reasons & however true it might sometimes be is rhetoric used towards explicitly transmisogynistic ends

oh cool i hate this argument

you're roundly otm here eric thank you

Thanks for the elaboration, eric. I haven't followed the response to her video on "The Aesthetic", but did find it murkier and more conflicted than many of her others. There is a risk if cis audiences are taking these to be the definitive trans perspectives.

There is a risk if cis audiences are taking these to be the definitive trans perspectives.

There's also a risk that some idiot will think the Tabby character is speaking directly to them, and encouraging them to hit people with a bat. Contrapoints has always been explicit about speaking for herself and only herself.

there's always a risk when you're speaking for a marginalized or minority community that ppl will take your opinions as definitive for the community and not just your personal takes with which others can reasonably disagree but it seems to me like we should credit natalie (and ilxors maybe?) to understand the difference, esp bc taking that as an assumption ("you're speaking on behalf of X group and these ppl in that group disagree with you") is itself a conflation of the individual + collective. anyway sorry for the digression + thk you for clarifying i can definitely see how ppl might disagree w/ her on those points (tho i certainly think she's entitled to have & express them).

her describing non-passing trans women as not quite women bc of their inability to pass

I...don't believe she did this, and I watched that video a couple of times?

it would be fine if you were talking about the mode

love these weasel takes which i consider to be at the v least adjacent to not-great

don't we have threads for this?

Technically we have threads for every post itt yes

in the future, all events will be automatically discussed by bots that comb through old ILX posts and copy and paste things into the appropriate threads