Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

idk about that, I think what Simon said is the right move

ditto

there's a mortifying air of superiority to it when one white person does it to another imho

I mean I could tell you the crazy amount of random korean, japanese, vietnamese, chinese people that I was in the vicinity of or famous people that I have either been confused with or compared to that I look absolutely nothing like (and I'm half white).

ugh joke parsing is the worst twitter/ilx but imo this joke only really lands when it's 'we all look alike'

My spouse recently got two black famous people confused and literally was making a case for the mistake, because I said the "I Know they all look alike" until I put pictures side by side and he felt properly chagrined.

ugh joke parsing is the worst twitter/ilx but imo this joke only really lands when it's 'we all look alike'

xpost when I saw the clip and HC said it, I was like, BURN.

I mean the joke/trope is so old, but her timing was pretty good.

I hardly ever confuse black people with Asian people.

I thought this was pretty funny but maybe not the best joke to make in a public setting

I say this not knowing the color of everyone posting ITT, but sometimes with moments like this I wonder how many people are actually directly offended vs just arguing by proxy whether or not other people should/shouldn't be offended.

i think we're arguing about our pain at HRC uttering words in public

I personally just like making people feel bad about being lazy bitches.

you sound like a ton of fun

I am utterly charming.

i always knew she was crooked!

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/9/18080656/matthew-whitaker-trump-hillary-clinton-sessions-attorney-general?

well, how are you supposed to prove it unless you keep investigating her until she is guilty.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/22/hillary-clinton-europe-must-curb-immigration-stop-populists-trump-brexit?CMP=twt_gu

nice lady

Great opinion. If only she'd put it on a mug she'd have won in 2016.

lots of obvious dunks here but I do enjoy (and am hardly alone in noticing) how this nicely parrots the trash Angela Nagle published yesterday

“I admire the very generous and compassionate approaches that were taken particularly by leaders like Angela Merkel, but I think it is fair to say Europe has done its part, and must send a very clear message – ‘we are not going to be able to continue provide refuge and support’ – because if we don’t deal with the migration issue it will continue to roil the body politic.”

Quite right Hil, those inconvenient people fleeing your bombing campaigns should just fucking drown! #stillwithher

obv Chelsea has had some good and highly expensive dental-work, but put it away ffs. That pic on the bbc site was giving false hope to Shergar's owners.

tony blair jumping in there with the legitimate grievances too

Tony’s been beating that drum for a while now tbfttc.

For all the left wing people getting mad at this, I have some bad news about the Absolute Boy https://t.co/9Ma4oX4tLb

— John🖕Galvano 🇲🇳 (@JohnGalvano) November 22, 2018

^whataboutery

curious if there's any criticism of HRC that Nerdstrom would agree with

Yes, there is basically no difference between a politician who has campaigned for decades on refugee rights, who continues to speak at pro-refugee rallies, who has consistently pushed the U.K. government to do more to address refugee needs, etc, and one telling Merkel to shut the door lest the fash get restless, thank you.

Labour is far from perfect on immigration and the recent criticism of cuts to border police, etc, has been poor but this is moronic.

I agree with the criticism of her here and many other times.

“No difference”

I don't really follow UK politics so maybe you can explain the relevance of Corbyn to this callous speech advocating that the "center left" adopt the extreme right's position on refugees to hold on to power, not that that ploy is particularly surprising coming from Clinton

When in doubt, punch left. Fishhook theory is real.

Given that a lot of the vitriol aimed at Corbyn is based on his closeness to Muslim and Irish communities and a lot of opposition to him dogwhistles about his support for them near constantly - I mean a guy tried to kill him because he thought Corbyn was a “terrorist” and that is 100% based on vile coverage about how he cares more about foreigners than the British in the media - the neck of that guy is unreal but not surprising.

Contribute to the Guardian? Not even fucking once.

On #WorldRefugeeDay we express solidarity with people who have been forced to flee war, natural disaster, or persecution.

We have a duty to act humanely and protect the rights of refugees, rather than forcing them into overcrowded camps, detention centres and abject poverty.

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) June 20, 2018

“Fishhook theory” is kind of a convoluted meme

Are you going to address the points raised or answer why you brought up Corbyn in the first place?

seems pretty simple to me tbh, maybe you were reaching for "obscure"

https://i.redd.it/ipw1tkw2v06z.png

xp

xp no I don’t have time for that.

Yeah obscure is probably a better descriptive

that's some zen master shit right there

turning a big dial taht says "Racism" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right

— wint (@dril) March 15, 2017

god hilary is the worst

In a strong field

inconvenient people fleeing your bombing campaigns

fwiw, a high percentage of refugees into Europe in the past several years were fleeing Assad's bombing campaign, which I don't think you can pin on HRC. otoh, the outcome of the NATO campaign to oust Gadhafi has generated plenty of refugees and HRC was a big driver behind that one, along with the French president. Also, plenty of refugees are just fleeing wretched poverty and social violence, not bombs.

Yeah I was thinking of Libya when I said that.

Also, plenty of refugees are just fleeing wretched poverty and social violence, not bombs.

This is an argument used to deny entry to any refugees into Europe though - “they’re all economic migrants!!!1”.

fleeing Assad's bombing campaign, which I don't think you can pin on HRC

libya otoh...

did you read my post?

otoh, the outcome of the NATO campaign to oust Gadhafi has generated plenty of refugees and HRC was a big driver behind that one, along with the French president.

lots of obvious dunks here but I do enjoy (and am hardly alone in noticing) how this nicely parrots the trash Angela Nagle published yesterday

― wayne trotsky (Simon H.)

couldn't help but read this but "obvious drunks" and as always, this is a great idea

"fish hook theory" was endorsed by a cartoon in "the book of the subgenius" back in the 1980s, i'm not sold on it as a political philosophy

whats it mean, that there's only 'us' and the far-right?

why give that a name, "with us or against us" is old as the hills

That the centre will always gravitate towards the right rather than give anything to the left - or that centrist opinions are very close to far right ones.

The name is mostly turning the idea of ‘horseshoe theory’ back on the people promoting it. Liberalism = fascism is not necessarily useful analysis.

The idea that, given a choice between accommodating left-wing ideas and appeasing the far-right when forced to pick between the two, a lot of people who think of themselves as the sensible centre are more comfortable with the latter seems pretty undeniable though. Understanding how they can be stopped is hugely important.