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I left it at that, but I wonder how he would have reacted had I told him that not only is Queen by no means the greatest band evah, they're also kind of shit.

― pomenitul

literally telling him "your favorite band sucks"? i mean, i can guess.

LOL

I know, I know. It’s just so hard sometimes to keep it all bottled up.

v much enjoy your posting style, pomenitul

I don't remember if I made it up or the dude I was dating made it up but I've always like the "Queen: Second Greatest Band Of All Time" maxim

Thought I adored Queen until I was made to listen to A Night At The Opera remastered to 5.1 surround sound in a fancy mix room at max volume and I pretty much wanted to skin myself alive

Thank you! Much appreciated.

xp

Queen is fun. I dunno, I feel like it's got more baggage for British ppl? Kinda like Oasis or Primal Scream does? Here they were just always a band with some radio hits that was generally well liked but not a huge deal

like I saw some British ppl on Facebook getting all bent outta shape about Primal Scream and Bobby Gillespe it's like move over here where they are less well remembered than like Local H or Soul Coughing

Never heard this quote but I wonder about its context. Freddie was one of the great sellouts of jazz, and his attempts at mainstream records are far worse than George Benson's. But in his early days, he was one of the best that ever was.

― Paul Ponzi, Friday, October 26, 2018 7:13 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think it was in reference to Freddie's selling out, but more about how his playing in general -- technically impressive as it undoubtedly is -- doesn't have the depth of imagination or ideas commensurate with his facility. I personally don't think he's an objectively awful musician or anything, but I can't think of a record he's on -- with Blakey, Herbie Hancock, Andrew Hill, Coltrane, Sam Rivers, whoever -- where I wouldn't rather hear Booker Little or Lee Morgan. The most excited I can get about his playing is that it's "just fine." (Actually, that's not entirely true: there are a couple of moments on Sam Rivers' Contours that are really stunning.)

I do, however, think his playing on Coltrane's Ascension is completely awful and clueless. Personal associations with some of that record's other musicians aside, I have no idea why he's on it (and neither does he, apparently).

i just think it's funny that out of all the possible titles of a Freddie biopic, they chose "Bohemian Rhapsody."

there are probably 5 or 6 queen songs that i like, but there are two amazing sounds that define the band that make me wish i liked them more: 1) freddie's massive multi-tracked self-harmonies, and 2) brian may's lead tone.

post a really dumb opinion about freddie hubbard

Potentially confusing The Two Freddies situation in effect.

the two freddies would've been a better title for the biopic than bohemian rhapsody tbh

I can't think of a record he's on -- with Blakey, Herbie Hancock, Andrew Hill, Coltrane, Sam Rivers, whoever -- where I wouldn't rather hear Booker Little or Lee Morgan. The most excited I can get about his playing is that it's "just fine."

i assume you've heard maiden voyage, which, his playing on the title track would be enough to counter "just fine" and justify his whole career even if the rest of it were mediocre, which it's not

Freddie was one of the great sellouts of jazz

more evidence that you have arrived here from the early 1970s via time machine

i assume you've heard maiden voyage, which, his playing on the title track would be enough to counter "just fine" and justify his whole career even if the rest of it were mediocre, which it's not

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, October 26, 2018 10:52 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sure, it's incredibly impressive in its display of Hubbard's facility, but other than that, it doesn't do much for me.

Maiden Voyage and two of his early CTIs as a leader--Straight Life and Red Clay--are evidence of his being anything but mediocre; on the contrary he's as imaginative an improviser and composer as any of his contemporaries. Comparing any trumpet player to Lee Morgan is unfair, anyway, obviously.

I agree he's out of his element on Ascension, but you could say the same for Elvin. Is that sacrilege?

more evidence that you have arrived here from the early 1970s via time machine

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, October 26, 2018 10:53 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sorry, I'll try to post more about robyn from now on

thanks

madonna of the wasps is a jam

Comparing any trumpet player to Lee Morgan is unfair, anyway, obviously.

Sure, but Hubbard succeeded Morgan in the Jazz Messengers, so it invites comparison.

I agree he's out of his element on Ascension, but you could say the same for Elvin. Is that sacrilege?

That's a good point, but Elvin was a key factor in how Coltrane's work developed/led up to Ascension; by that point, Elvin wasn't being thrown into the deep end of the new music. If he felt out of place, he didn't sound like it (ditto Om, Live in Seattle, Sun Ship, Meditations).

madonna of the wasps is a jam

cosign!

Potentially confusing The Two Freddies situation in effect.

― Alma Kirby (Tom D.)

not confusing enough! hey, thread, who do you like more - freddie gibbs, freddie mcgregor, or freddie roulette?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxDwHhIwe-Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO3r-bnYnSE

(fr)eddie shit definitely deserved that macarthur genius grant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO3r-bnYnSE

My wife and I were just talking about this. Half of me thinks/hopes that the trailer is the six or seven best bits of the movie, as many trailers are. If so, there's
a sense in which I've already seen the movie. So I don't need to arrange a babysitter. (But I will probably watch it once it's on a streaming service.) I watch basically all music documentaries and biopics, regardless of my feelings about the artist. I also almost always read the half-baked autobiography, if it ends up in front of me (midway through Dave Stewart's, btw).

B-b-but have you seen the Lee Morgan doc?

I havent heard anything Hubbard did post-Red Clay so this notion that he’s some shitty sellout is news to me

You need to hear Straight Life! It's just as good as Red Clay and features George Benson at his very best

After that, it's a steep decline

To defend Benson against charges of sell-out-ism, he was a child virtuoso who cut his teeth with Jack McDuff and, iirc, a bit of Miles. But the time Breezin' came out he was, what, 30? And had been playing professionally and prolifically for a decade. As a friend and were saying the other day, what else did he have to prove?

Queen ... I still don't think I've made it through an entire album, but like their hits when I hear them, which puts them on par, to my mind, with the Doors.

Give Me the Night is one of the eighties' best albums.

I don't hear musical theater in Roxy Music at all, even on their first couple albums. Bryan Ferry's self-dramatizing streak isn't the same as musical theater.

I agree, I think early (first 5) Roxy is so anarchic and awesomely confrontational/abrasive, and not in a theatrical way. That is, Bowie clearly put a lot of thought into his presentation, sometimes too much, and while Roxy obv. did, too, it never seemed like it.

Two words: 'Bitter Sweet'.

queen listening project next year on ilx

otm

Give Me the Night is one of the eighties' best albums.

The title track is one of my most failsafe floor-fillers; I hadn't appreciated its all-time greatness until this year. "Love X Love" isn't far behind, either.

Best Quincy Jones production of the '80s, too.

I don't hear musical theater in Roxy Music at all, even on their first couple albums. Bryan Ferry's self-dramatizing streak isn't the same as musical theater.

― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:12 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't remotely get any kind of theater-kid vibe from Ferry.

i don't hear it in t. rex either

St. Anger is Metallica's best album

Highly controversial!

That drum sound is amazing, I have no idea what everyone is talking about. I think I like it because it has the same production style as the Pumpkins when they go metal: super dry, very Sabbathy, vocals high & dry in the mix. I find Hetfield's performances really compelling. Fucking great lyrics too. "I'm madly in anger with you." "My lifestyle determines my deathstyle." Come on!! That shit rules. I like some of the songs on Ride the Lightning better but the production on all of the 80s records sucks.

Madness “started ska”.

Well those are certainly some words you guys posted on the internet

When a vocal critic of Phil Collins '80s gated drum sound praises the drum sound on St. Anger it isn't actually controversial, just fucking stupid.

fb isn't alone on this one; when I interviewed Tyshawn Sorey (avant-garde jazz drummer) for The Wire I played him a track from St. Anger and he loved the drum sound - said it was his favorite thing about the record.

lol that's tight

The drum sound isn't the problem with St Anger