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the only way that film could be any more unappealing was if Bradley Cooper was playing Freddie Mercury

Queen are fucking garbage. I totally don't get it. (I also don't get the appeal of Roxy Music or T. Rex - or glam in general. There's this whole musical-theater-kid side of early 70s British rock that's completely fucking baffling to me.)

I think it's pretty "funny" for anyone to assume that a gay, music-loving man must be into Queen

the only way that film could be any more unappealing was if Bradley Cooper was playing Freddie Mercury

Or Sasha Baron Cohen.

Lol yes

Never really connected with Queen either, though I acknowledge that 1) Freddie is a talented singer--whatever that means, and 2) Brian May has a very distinctive (and cool) guitar tone. But yeah, I don't ever really want to listen to Queen.

But I hated Kiss for like thirty years and now I don't so maybe a day will come when it clicks, who knows

Roxy Music is great though

Paul OTM re: Queen

I like their hits, can't really be bothered to dig further.

Lol KISS also totally terrible

otm. and it's like.., why didn't i just cut to the chase and like this the first time around? especially after loudly proclaiming ur dislike of something, to revisit it and instantly see how wrong u were lol

I actually really enjoy this process. I mean I feel stupid if I've been all "that sucks!" about something I end up loving but the whole process of being irritated by something / leaning in closer / learning that the irritation was...something different maybe? this is intensely interesting to me in how I approach music

I don’t like Queen at all, but also think Mercury is one of the most overrated singers in history. He reminds me of what one of Freddie Hubbard’s contemporaries said of Hubbard’s playing: “It’s the Rolls-Royce aesthetic without the Rolls-Royce.”

He reminds me of what one of Freddie Hubbard’s contemporaries said of Hubbard’s playing: “It’s the Rolls-Royce aesthetic without the Rolls-Royce.”

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)

that sounds like a compliment to me!

I quite enjoy some Queen tunes. But as shallow as this sounds, the trailer for Bohemian Rhapsody that I seem to be unable to avoid has put me off wanting to associate with them for a good couple of years.

It should put you off because the movie is terrible.

I don’t like Queen at all, but also think Mercury is one of the most overrated singers in history. He reminds me of what one of Freddie Hubbard’s contemporaries said of Hubbard’s playing: “It’s the Rolls-Royce aesthetic without the Rolls-Royce.”

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, October 25, 2018 9:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Never heard this quote but I wonder about its context. Freddie was one of the great sellouts of jazz, and his attempts at mainstream records are far worse than George Benson's. But in his early days, he was one of the best that ever was.

Queen have been the defener's music of choice for a decade, and I'm afraid this film is going to make things exponentially worse. I am in the odd position of hoping there is a backlash against a group I don't actually dislike.

I was at a café a couple of months ago when some early Queen album I hadn't heard yet started playing. Shirking Shazam, I asked the barista what it was and he responded with 'Queen aka the greatest band of all time'. 'I beg to differ', I said, and he looked visibly upset, as if dissensus were utterly unfathomable in this department. I left it at that, but I wonder how he would have reacted had I told him that not only is Queen by no means the greatest band evah, they're also kind of shit.

Roxy Music is something else entirely, though, in no small part due to their sheer weirdness early on. And I say this as someone who also tends to dislike overt theatrics in music.

I left it at that, but I wonder how he would have reacted had I told him that not only is Queen by no means the greatest band evah, they're also kind of shit.

― pomenitul

literally telling him "your favorite band sucks"? i mean, i can guess.

LOL

I know, I know. It’s just so hard sometimes to keep it all bottled up.

v much enjoy your posting style, pomenitul

I don't remember if I made it up or the dude I was dating made it up but I've always like the "Queen: Second Greatest Band Of All Time" maxim

Thought I adored Queen until I was made to listen to A Night At The Opera remastered to 5.1 surround sound in a fancy mix room at max volume and I pretty much wanted to skin myself alive

Thank you! Much appreciated.

xp

Queen is fun. I dunno, I feel like it's got more baggage for British ppl? Kinda like Oasis or Primal Scream does? Here they were just always a band with some radio hits that was generally well liked but not a huge deal

like I saw some British ppl on Facebook getting all bent outta shape about Primal Scream and Bobby Gillespe it's like move over here where they are less well remembered than like Local H or Soul Coughing

Never heard this quote but I wonder about its context. Freddie was one of the great sellouts of jazz, and his attempts at mainstream records are far worse than George Benson's. But in his early days, he was one of the best that ever was.

― Paul Ponzi, Friday, October 26, 2018 7:13 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think it was in reference to Freddie's selling out, but more about how his playing in general -- technically impressive as it undoubtedly is -- doesn't have the depth of imagination or ideas commensurate with his facility. I personally don't think he's an objectively awful musician or anything, but I can't think of a record he's on -- with Blakey, Herbie Hancock, Andrew Hill, Coltrane, Sam Rivers, whoever -- where I wouldn't rather hear Booker Little or Lee Morgan. The most excited I can get about his playing is that it's "just fine." (Actually, that's not entirely true: there are a couple of moments on Sam Rivers' Contours that are really stunning.)

I do, however, think his playing on Coltrane's Ascension is completely awful and clueless. Personal associations with some of that record's other musicians aside, I have no idea why he's on it (and neither does he, apparently).

i just think it's funny that out of all the possible titles of a Freddie biopic, they chose "Bohemian Rhapsody."

there are probably 5 or 6 queen songs that i like, but there are two amazing sounds that define the band that make me wish i liked them more: 1) freddie's massive multi-tracked self-harmonies, and 2) brian may's lead tone.

post a really dumb opinion about freddie hubbard

Potentially confusing The Two Freddies situation in effect.

the two freddies would've been a better title for the biopic than bohemian rhapsody tbh

I can't think of a record he's on -- with Blakey, Herbie Hancock, Andrew Hill, Coltrane, Sam Rivers, whoever -- where I wouldn't rather hear Booker Little or Lee Morgan. The most excited I can get about his playing is that it's "just fine."

i assume you've heard maiden voyage, which, his playing on the title track would be enough to counter "just fine" and justify his whole career even if the rest of it were mediocre, which it's not

Freddie was one of the great sellouts of jazz

more evidence that you have arrived here from the early 1970s via time machine

i assume you've heard maiden voyage, which, his playing on the title track would be enough to counter "just fine" and justify his whole career even if the rest of it were mediocre, which it's not

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, October 26, 2018 10:52 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sure, it's incredibly impressive in its display of Hubbard's facility, but other than that, it doesn't do much for me.

Maiden Voyage and two of his early CTIs as a leader--Straight Life and Red Clay--are evidence of his being anything but mediocre; on the contrary he's as imaginative an improviser and composer as any of his contemporaries. Comparing any trumpet player to Lee Morgan is unfair, anyway, obviously.

I agree he's out of his element on Ascension, but you could say the same for Elvin. Is that sacrilege?

more evidence that you have arrived here from the early 1970s via time machine

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, October 26, 2018 10:53 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sorry, I'll try to post more about robyn from now on

thanks

madonna of the wasps is a jam

Comparing any trumpet player to Lee Morgan is unfair, anyway, obviously.

Sure, but Hubbard succeeded Morgan in the Jazz Messengers, so it invites comparison.

I agree he's out of his element on Ascension, but you could say the same for Elvin. Is that sacrilege?

That's a good point, but Elvin was a key factor in how Coltrane's work developed/led up to Ascension; by that point, Elvin wasn't being thrown into the deep end of the new music. If he felt out of place, he didn't sound like it (ditto Om, Live in Seattle, Sun Ship, Meditations).

madonna of the wasps is a jam

cosign!

Potentially confusing The Two Freddies situation in effect.

― Alma Kirby (Tom D.)

not confusing enough! hey, thread, who do you like more - freddie gibbs, freddie mcgregor, or freddie roulette?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxDwHhIwe-Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO3r-bnYnSE

(fr)eddie shit definitely deserved that macarthur genius grant!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO3r-bnYnSE

My wife and I were just talking about this. Half of me thinks/hopes that the trailer is the six or seven best bits of the movie, as many trailers are. If so, there's
a sense in which I've already seen the movie. So I don't need to arrange a babysitter. (But I will probably watch it once it's on a streaming service.) I watch basically all music documentaries and biopics, regardless of my feelings about the artist. I also almost always read the half-baked autobiography, if it ends up in front of me (midway through Dave Stewart's, btw).

B-b-but have you seen the Lee Morgan doc?

I havent heard anything Hubbard did post-Red Clay so this notion that he’s some shitty sellout is news to me

You need to hear Straight Life! It's just as good as Red Clay and features George Benson at his very best

After that, it's a steep decline

To defend Benson against charges of sell-out-ism, he was a child virtuoso who cut his teeth with Jack McDuff and, iirc, a bit of Miles. But the time Breezin' came out he was, what, 30? And had been playing professionally and prolifically for a decade. As a friend and were saying the other day, what else did he have to prove?

Queen ... I still don't think I've made it through an entire album, but like their hits when I hear them, which puts them on par, to my mind, with the Doors.

Give Me the Night is one of the eighties' best albums.