Rob Halford: https://www.bandwagon.asia/articles/judas-priest-s-rob-halford-on-the-band-s-legacy-babymetal-returning-to-singapore-and-more
Over the course of the past five decades, has the band changed the way it works in the studio?The one really unusual, well, not really unusual... but it's definitely something we had not done in a long time was actually being in the studio together, playing as a band. As time went on, technology has made it such that you can build a record piece by piece and layer one thing over another so you don't need the entire band there for a session. But we decided to go back to our roots and earlier style of recording and did it as one unit.
The one really unusual, well, not really unusual... but it's definitely something we had not done in a long time was actually being in the studio together, playing as a band. As time went on, technology has made it such that you can build a record piece by piece and layer one thing over another so you don't need the entire band there for a session. But we decided to go back to our roots and earlier style of recording and did it as one unit.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:18 (five years ago) link
haha now that one's otm!
xp I think it's all just good fun?
― niels, Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:23 (five years ago) link
morrisp yeah it’s not a pure example of this phenomenon I just giggled at the appearance of “x people in a room”
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:35 (five years ago) link
I really want to go back to the sound this thread had when it first started, the roots of the idea, just strip away all the extra stuff, I don't want to say raw, but there was an immediacy in those first couple months and we've gotten away from that, I think it'd be cool to see what could happen if we
― mick signals, Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
Just 4 Ilxors in a room jamming
― calstars, Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:07 (five years ago) link
lol
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link
Yeah sorry if I sounded bitchy
― a neon light ablaze in this green smoky haze (morrisp), Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
No worries! I'm listening to MassEducation right now tbh
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
Just a hint of back to basics and being a real band from both John and Ringo at the very start of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG85fF-CZBI
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 9 November 2018 06:21 (five years ago) link
haha, indeed! although Let it Be is their real back to basics album...
― niels, Friday, 9 November 2018 10:02 (five years ago) link
yup. "no overdubs, maaan".
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 9 November 2018 10:33 (five years ago) link
was Let it Be the first "back to basics" rock album?
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 November 2018 13:50 (five years ago) link
maybe Dylan got there first
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 November 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link
There had been 'back-to-basics' albums before that but maybe not with the 'four guys in a room' narrative - except The Band s/t was kind of 'four guys in a room'.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 13:55 (five years ago) link
I always think of the Beach Boys' "Wild Honey" as being an early back-to-basics album ... but it's the Beach Boys so it's debatable how much conceptualizing was actually involved.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 13:57 (five years ago) link
The Band was more a back-to-basics group from the get-go. It's not like they had much to come back from after the first album
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 November 2018 13:59 (five years ago) link
Yes, but the 2nd album was, you know what, why don't us four five guys just get together and play and record in Sammy Davis Jr's poolhouse a room?
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
sure. I think this is a philosophical difference though. Like, to me, for a band to have one of these moments they have to have slipped away from their original sound into big production/artiness or whatever and then make the "back to basics" move.
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 November 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
Oh yes, I agree, but it could be deciding not to record in expensive studios and instead to woodshed in Sammy Davis Jr's woodshed, er, poolhouse, for instance - and I think that definitely influenced other musicians and bands at the time.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
John Wesley Hardin, Let it Be, Beggars Banquet
― niels, Monday, 12 November 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link
wrt John Wesley Harding, there was no overdubbing on any Dylan record until 1969 (or so he claims) because, by his own admission, he didn't know what it was or that it was possible. He'd listen to something like Sgt. Pepper and assume it was all cut live, because that's just how records are made.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 12 November 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
I'm wondering if there's an overlap with the old Getting It Together In The Country thing.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
or if there are any instances of the Getting It Together In The Country Thing also being the Big Production/Artiness thing at the same time
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 12 November 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link
Maybe the first Traffic album or two? And Genesis' Tresspass (though the production isn't exactly big on that).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 12 November 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link
I always think of the Beach Boys' "Wild Honey" as being an early back-to-basics album
yeah, this is the archetype/template. They did it first and exemplify the arc of kids w raw talent going overboard w expensive studio musicians + arrangements and then reverting to a "stripped down" sound
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
Morrison Hotel
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 12 November 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
It was definitely in the air, '68/'69.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
i kind of figured the start of this sort of thing was dylan's basement tapes - nobody wanted to make records that sounded like "wild honey"!
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
yeah there's a wider post-psychedelic impulse that comes up in a lot of late 60s rock records, even if they're not explicitly back to four guys in a room, and even when the albums feature tons of overdubs and production tricks. the white album is a case in point, since while it was after that that the "back to four guys" model seemed momentarily like a good idea, it's still considerably more austere and scratchy than the previous couple of albums. cover art may be shading my perceptions here.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
I never really bought JWH/basement tapes as "back to basics", I don't think that thing applies in Dylan's case, they are really no more or less ornate than the stuff that came before
i feel like dylan was never part of the "60s" in the same way the beatles were, i don't think he saw himself as part of that
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
Wanting to play the *blues instead of that psychedelic shit was an regrettable attitude prevalent among musicians who'd been capering about in kaftans and beads months earlier.
(*or country rock)
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link
JWH was after blonde though right? And blonde was pretty ornate in a electric keyboard fill kind of way
― calstars, Monday, 12 November 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link
(xp) Zappa (but of course) poked fun at it in "200 Motels". Well, poked fun at Jeff Simmons anyway.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link
is there a hip-hop equivalent to this particular narrative?
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 12 November 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
maybe the run-up to Jay-Z's 4:44?
― voodoo chili, Monday, 12 November 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
hip hop equivalent is rappers making albums/tapes with a single produce--like they did back the day
― President Keyes, Monday, 12 November 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
Diddy: "This goes out to all the mother fuckers that like 15-20 minute versions of a mother fucking record.“
https://partysan.net/global-music/dj-hell-the-dj-feat-p-diddy/
Speaking to Resident Advisor Matt Edwards aka Radio Slave said „I’m down with the 20 minute versions! I’m also into DJs playing the whole record! Most producers still make records with a start and an end… I actually wanted to do a 60-minute version and my friend Tom Gandey (Cagedbaby) recorded a lot of piano parts in Bordeaux, which I used in the last 10 minutes… So I guess I just let the track do its thing. I played about 25 minutes at Fabric and it definitely wasn’t boring!“
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
it's not about what the basement tapes _were_, it's about how they were _perceived_. dylan has always, always, been about the myth, which in this case is encoded right into the name of the recordings - what's more "back to basics" than jamming in a basement? i don't know if it happened or not, but the genesis of the "let it be" sessions sounds to me a lot like one or more of the beatles (probably not george) heard one of the "basement tapes" acetates and said 'that sounds amazing, we should do that'. (probably by this time they'd already _done_ it with the esher demos!)
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
Dylan does not fit here, at all
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
“back to basics” for dylan at that point in his career would have meant going back to solo guitar+harmonica
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 November 2018 19:57 (five years ago) link
World Gone Wrong and Good As I Been to You were spun that way after the star-producer Under The Red Sky and Oh Mercy.
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
Dylan would later tell Jann Wenner, "That's really the way to do a recording—in a peaceful, relaxed setting—in somebody's basement. With the windows open ... and a dog lying on the floor."[19]
― visiting, Monday, 12 November 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, November 12, 2018 1:56 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
According to Allen Ginsberg, Dylan had talked to him about his new approach, telling him "he was writing shorter lines, with every line meaning something. He wasn't just making up a line to go with a rhyme anymore; each line had to advance the story, bring the song forward. And from that time came some of his strong laconic ballads like 'The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest.' There was no wasted language, no wasted breath. All the imagery was to be functional rather than ornamental."
― budo jeru, Monday, 12 November 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link
he says NEW approach not return to an old approach
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 November 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
― ... (Eazy), Monday, November 12, 2018 1:59 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
these are way better examples wrt dylan
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 November 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
i don't know if it happened or not, but the genesis of the "let it be" sessions sounds to me a lot like one or more of the beatles (probably not george) heard one of the "basement tapes" acetates and said 'that sounds amazing, we should do that'. (probably by this time they'd already _done_ it with the esher demos!)
George was having a ball hanging out with Dylan and the Band in Woodstock in late '68, and wasn't too happy rejoining the Beatles for Let It Be a couple of months later, regardless of it being back-to-basics or whatever. I think he called it "back to the winter of our discontent."
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 12 November 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link
i wonder if the back to basics approach on let it be was more pragmatic, i.e. everyone hated each other so much no one wanted to let the others go too far in any direction, so it sort of reverted back to a more simple approach
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 November 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
i.e. everyone hated each other so much no one wanted to let the others go too far in any direction, so it sort of reverted back to a more simple approach
I think Paul thought he could bring everyone back as a unit by cheerily cheerleading them through rehearsing, recording, and performing new material. He didn't realize that his cheery cheerleading was largely seen by the others as dictatorial, annoying, and destructive, despite a few obvious clues (Ringo quitting for two weeks because of Paul's criticisms of his playing on "Back in the U.S.S.R."; the fight with George over "Hey Jude"; John stomping in and shouting "I'm high as fuck, and this is how the intro should go!" after many excruciating takes of "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da").
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 12 November 2018 21:06 (five years ago) link
Multiple takes of “O bla di” is enough to make anyone addicted to heroin tbh
― calstars, Monday, 12 November 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link
I think a central element of the back-to-basics album is press material where a band member says something along the lines of "back to basics", "four guys in a room", "real music", etc., rather than what it actually sounds like.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 07:29 (five years ago) link