Nina Simone's music is astonishingly uninspired given the critical arselicking she gets.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:15 (five years ago) link
Go listen to Nina Simone at Newport and then try to post that with a straight face
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:21 (five years ago) link
Nah, I've had enough.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:56 (five years ago) link
quoth inspiration connoisseur 'jon123'
― ogmor, Thursday, 25 October 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
Music is shit
― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Thursday, 25 October 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link
i love it
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 25 October 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link
I imagine this is less controversial round here, but in everyday life my stance that Queen were utterly shit in so many ways seems to really bother people
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link
Queen suck, you are otm
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:04 (five years ago) link
you gonna catch the biopic?
― greta van vliet (morrisp), Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:09 (five years ago) link
Haha its the biopic thats made it such a hot topic. People think that because I'm a gay man and I love music that I must be into Queen and the disbelief I've been met with when I say that I find their music wholly unpleasant has been really... well, unsurprising because Queen are considered icond etc but really they are just awful arent they
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:13 (five years ago) link
biopics = also awful
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:13 (five years ago) link
the only way that film could be any more unappealing was if Bradley Cooper was playing Freddie Mercury
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link
Queen are fucking garbage. I totally don't get it. (I also don't get the appeal of Roxy Music or T. Rex - or glam in general. There's this whole musical-theater-kid side of early 70s British rock that's completely fucking baffling to me.)
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:24 (five years ago) link
I think it's pretty "funny" for anyone to assume that a gay, music-loving man must be into Queen
― greta van vliet (morrisp), Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
Or Sasha Baron Cohen.
― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
Lol yes
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link
Never really connected with Queen either, though I acknowledge that 1) Freddie is a talented singer--whatever that means, and 2) Brian May has a very distinctive (and cool) guitar tone. But yeah, I don't ever really want to listen to Queen.
But I hated Kiss for like thirty years and now I don't so maybe a day will come when it clicks, who knows
Roxy Music is great though
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 25 October 2018 23:59 (five years ago) link
Paul OTM re: Queen
― greta van vliet (morrisp), Friday, 26 October 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link
I like their hits, can't really be bothered to dig further.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 26 October 2018 00:05 (five years ago) link
Lol KISS also totally terrible
― Οὖτις, Friday, 26 October 2018 00:12 (five years ago) link
otm. and it's like.., why didn't i just cut to the chase and like this the first time around? especially after loudly proclaiming ur dislike of something, to revisit it and instantly see how wrong u were lol
I actually really enjoy this process. I mean I feel stupid if I've been all "that sucks!" about something I end up loving but the whole process of being irritated by something / leaning in closer / learning that the irritation was...something different maybe? this is intensely interesting to me in how I approach music
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 26 October 2018 00:13 (five years ago) link
I don’t like Queen at all, but also think Mercury is one of the most overrated singers in history. He reminds me of what one of Freddie Hubbard’s contemporaries said of Hubbard’s playing: “It’s the Rolls-Royce aesthetic without the Rolls-Royce.”
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 October 2018 01:41 (five years ago) link
He reminds me of what one of Freddie Hubbard’s contemporaries said of Hubbard’s playing: “It’s the Rolls-Royce aesthetic without the Rolls-Royce.”
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)
that sounds like a compliment to me!
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Friday, 26 October 2018 02:11 (five years ago) link
I quite enjoy some Queen tunes. But as shallow as this sounds, the trailer for Bohemian Rhapsody that I seem to be unable to avoid has put me off wanting to associate with them for a good couple of years.
― triggercut, Friday, 26 October 2018 11:07 (five years ago) link
It should put you off because the movie is terrible.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 October 2018 11:13 (five years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, October 25, 2018 9:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Never heard this quote but I wonder about its context. Freddie was one of the great sellouts of jazz, and his attempts at mainstream records are far worse than George Benson's. But in his early days, he was one of the best that ever was.
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 26 October 2018 11:13 (five years ago) link
Queen have been the defener's music of choice for a decade, and I'm afraid this film is going to make things exponentially worse. I am in the odd position of hoping there is a backlash against a group I don't actually dislike.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 26 October 2018 11:25 (five years ago) link
I was at a café a couple of months ago when some early Queen album I hadn't heard yet started playing. Shirking Shazam, I asked the barista what it was and he responded with 'Queen aka the greatest band of all time'. 'I beg to differ', I said, and he looked visibly upset, as if dissensus were utterly unfathomable in this department. I left it at that, but I wonder how he would have reacted had I told him that not only is Queen by no means the greatest band evah, they're also kind of shit.
― pomenitul, Friday, 26 October 2018 11:44 (five years ago) link
Roxy Music is something else entirely, though, in no small part due to their sheer weirdness early on. And I say this as someone who also tends to dislike overt theatrics in music.
― pomenitul, Friday, 26 October 2018 11:46 (five years ago) link
I left it at that, but I wonder how he would have reacted had I told him that not only is Queen by no means the greatest band evah, they're also kind of shit.
― pomenitul
literally telling him "your favorite band sucks"? i mean, i can guess.
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Friday, 26 October 2018 12:28 (five years ago) link
LOL
― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Friday, 26 October 2018 12:30 (five years ago) link
I know, I know. It’s just so hard sometimes to keep it all bottled up.
― pomenitul, Friday, 26 October 2018 12:50 (five years ago) link
v much enjoy your posting style, pomenitul
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 26 October 2018 13:35 (five years ago) link
I don't remember if I made it up or the dude I was dating made it up but I've always like the "Queen: Second Greatest Band Of All Time" maxim
Thought I adored Queen until I was made to listen to A Night At The Opera remastered to 5.1 surround sound in a fancy mix room at max volume and I pretty much wanted to skin myself alive
― fgti is for (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 26 October 2018 13:39 (five years ago) link
Thank you! Much appreciated.
xp
― pomenitul, Friday, 26 October 2018 13:42 (five years ago) link
Queen is fun. I dunno, I feel like it's got more baggage for British ppl? Kinda like Oasis or Primal Scream does? Here they were just always a band with some radio hits that was generally well liked but not a huge deal
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
like I saw some British ppl on Facebook getting all bent outta shape about Primal Scream and Bobby Gillespe it's like move over here where they are less well remembered than like Local H or Soul Coughing
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, October 26, 2018 7:13 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't think it was in reference to Freddie's selling out, but more about how his playing in general -- technically impressive as it undoubtedly is -- doesn't have the depth of imagination or ideas commensurate with his facility. I personally don't think he's an objectively awful musician or anything, but I can't think of a record he's on -- with Blakey, Herbie Hancock, Andrew Hill, Coltrane, Sam Rivers, whoever -- where I wouldn't rather hear Booker Little or Lee Morgan. The most excited I can get about his playing is that it's "just fine." (Actually, that's not entirely true: there are a couple of moments on Sam Rivers' Contours that are really stunning.)
I do, however, think his playing on Coltrane's Ascension is completely awful and clueless. Personal associations with some of that record's other musicians aside, I have no idea why he's on it (and neither does he, apparently).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link
i just think it's funny that out of all the possible titles of a Freddie biopic, they chose "Bohemian Rhapsody."
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:40 (five years ago) link
there are probably 5 or 6 queen songs that i like, but there are two amazing sounds that define the band that make me wish i liked them more: 1) freddie's massive multi-tracked self-harmonies, and 2) brian may's lead tone.
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
post a really dumb opinion about freddie hubbard
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link
Potentially confusing The Two Freddies situation in effect.
― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link
the two freddies would've been a better title for the biopic than bohemian rhapsody tbh
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:45 (five years ago) link
I can't think of a record he's on -- with Blakey, Herbie Hancock, Andrew Hill, Coltrane, Sam Rivers, whoever -- where I wouldn't rather hear Booker Little or Lee Morgan. The most excited I can get about his playing is that it's "just fine."
i assume you've heard maiden voyage, which, his playing on the title track would be enough to counter "just fine" and justify his whole career even if the rest of it were mediocre, which it's not
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:52 (five years ago) link
Freddie was one of the great sellouts of jazz
more evidence that you have arrived here from the early 1970s via time machine
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 26 October 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, October 26, 2018 10:52 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Sure, it's incredibly impressive in its display of Hubbard's facility, but other than that, it doesn't do much for me.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 October 2018 15:01 (five years ago) link
Maiden Voyage and two of his early CTIs as a leader--Straight Life and Red Clay--are evidence of his being anything but mediocre; on the contrary he's as imaginative an improviser and composer as any of his contemporaries. Comparing any trumpet player to Lee Morgan is unfair, anyway, obviously.
I agree he's out of his element on Ascension, but you could say the same for Elvin. Is that sacrilege?
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, October 26, 2018 10:53 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Sorry, I'll try to post more about robyn from now on
― Paul Ponzi, Friday, 26 October 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link
thanks
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 26 October 2018 15:15 (five years ago) link
madonna of the wasps is a jam
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 October 2018 15:15 (five years ago) link
Comparing any trumpet player to Lee Morgan is unfair, anyway, obviously.
Sure, but Hubbard succeeded Morgan in the Jazz Messengers, so it invites comparison.
That's a good point, but Elvin was a key factor in how Coltrane's work developed/led up to Ascension; by that point, Elvin wasn't being thrown into the deep end of the new music. If he felt out of place, he didn't sound like it (ditto Om, Live in Seattle, Sun Ship, Meditations).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 October 2018 15:39 (five years ago) link