Democratic (Party) Direction

No she doesn’t believe it’s an imperative because otherwise she wouldn’t have mischaracterized Obama’s statement in that way.

Libby: Tell voters, hey, I understand why you feel like there’s no point...it’s these guys who don’t want you to vote, who want you to feel like there’s no point, because that’s how they win.

Obama: pic.twitter.com/3NFHfF5fQq

— 🍟4All (@Free_Fries_) October 24, 2018

Also it’s important to note that she (and the online people who she follows the lead of) would never urge people to vote the GOP out in a straightforward non-“wah Dems are bad” way because personal branding and her lame careerism greatly supercedes...you know stuff like this

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-was-warned-of-traumatic-psychological-injury-from-family-separations-official-says

It’s not accurate to say “hectoring” was part of the message in 2000 and 2016 as much as that being how we describe the reaction to “both sides are the same narratives” that got traction and that we should probably be somewhat embarrassed by. Libby generally tends to just reiterate the “very online left” takes after they’ve been made a thousand or so people before her and in this specific case the anti-anti-voting thing is a manifestation of her how bubble processes the guilt of having down played the threat of Trump/the GOP.

Jacky Rosen got 77% of the vote in the Dem primary, number two was 'none of these candidates' at 7%. If she is this awful at getting people to vote for her, and there is this other message that would have been a sure-fire vote-getter, then how on earth did her challengers do so pitifully?

it's cool how hipster leftists started using "hopey changey stuff" to make fun of obama as if that phrase hadn't been coined by sarah palin

like even using that shit sarcastically poisons the water

a lot of voting is done after trudging to the polls

Nerdstrom may actually be surpassing Fred as the #1 drag on the politics threads

but i'd like both of you to offer possible 'bipartisan' healthcare solutions

whats the argument against halfing the number of ppl dying morbs

Kind of line in with using “liberal” as pejorative.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:25 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Imagining this to be some kind of “hipster” thing shows a complete lack of historical and ideological awareness.

But hey it’s the Democratic Party thread

people overestimate the impact of the online left (most of the time I wish it was actually much greater). I understand why, when you have it in your Twitter feed all day long, but these people are not even a drop in the bucket in terms of actually influencing the electorate.

I'm not sure who it is that thinks the Very Online Left has much sway over anything, especially considering part of its own shtick is a rueful recognition of how small/fringe it is. It seems as though s significant chunk of the Dem voter base is moving left, at varying speeds on varying issues, but I don't think anyone reasonable would chalk that up to shitposters

The hardcore online Clintonista liberals tend to overestimate their own influence though.

Also, are these tweeters that Nerdstrom is quoting reading challenged? Because Libby literally says that Obama was GOOD at doing the things she is suggesting, she just thinks he was a letdown on policy. And then everyone responding is pointing to Obama doing the things she is suggesting. Which is exactly her point.

"The way to get people to vote is to offer them candidates who actually give people hope that politics could make things better for them—which is what Obama did for many people of my generation (how wrong we were)."

The discussion is about a specific rally speech.

Oic. Didn’t realize that was a quote from the same rally.

As for using "liberal" as a pejorative, the American liberal is the most right-leaning iteration on the planet, and its quintessence right now is Chuck Schumer. So yes, fuck em.

I couldn’t 100% swear to it, but I think the left was using it as a pejorative decades before the right. Certainly decades before now in any case.

Phil Ochs to thread

I can absolutely see Rob Reiner turning lefties in.

Hey what’s the third worst King Vidor movie?

Who is a Libby, is she famous?

Yeah imo Marua's otm in that there's no denying the right's superior jiu jitsu, and it's partly well explained by the hack gap, and in some respects long echoed by the left (would you believe it's been used so for longer than Libby Watson's been alive, my sweet heavens), which means it's more popular these days. But I'm not sure why y'all are spleening about a blogger clickfarming about a former President as if that's a meaningful puzzle piece in skirmish over power in the party.

Lol Rush and Fox stole liberal as perjorative from the leftists and the funny podcast guys and I are stealing it back

I love how the shift goes from
defending anti-anti voting takes to downplaying how influential people online are.

you really are beyond help, i don't know why i bother

maybe instead we should talk about david brooks "here's some free advice, democrats" column today which says "democrats should stop making the election about healthcare, they should instead give voters something inspiring they care about, like saying trump is bad and a racist liar, but not in a "social justice warrior" way that suggests minorities and queer people are discriminated against in our society"

i don't aspire to live in a world where very online left bloggers had more influence over the democratic party, but i do think it would be OK if david brooks had as little influence over the democratic party as very online left bloggers

But I'm not sure why y'all are spleening about a blogger clickfarming about a former President as if that's a meaningful puzzle piece in skirmish over power in the party.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, 24. oktober 2018 16:51 (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Morbs posted it, and a lot of hijinks and misunderstandings ensued.

Libby generally tends to just reiterate the “very online left” takes after they’ve been made a thousand or so people before here

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 9:41 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like yeah dude i'm 100% with you on this and i don't think it's a take worth defending

the anti-anti-voting thing is a manifestation of her how bubble processes the guilt of having down played the threat of Trump/the GOP

what is this collective psychoanalysis horseshit

i just wish Obama would go back on the boat with that Branson guy; his "hope" turned out to be nearly as full of shit as Billy Blythe's

Imagining this to be some kind of “hipster” thing shows a complete lack of historical and ideological awareness.

man alive 100% correct this is actually an idiot 1930s USSR thing - social fascism

It wasn’t in response to you Hoos

oh the whole antediluvian Dem gang is here

It’s the 1918 WW1 comedy “Bud’s Recruit” isn’t it?

Here is the ranking of the institutions Democrats and Republicans the most to least confidence in. Data from the 2018 American Institutional Confidence Poll released today! https://t.co/o4cJ6xvKWb … @GUBakerCenter @knightfdn pic.twitter.com/kJdasbjsQr

— Jonathan Ladd (@jonmladd) October 24, 2018

wtg amazon!

The new populist Republican party loves banks

"confidence" kind of a weird thing to assess wrt Amazon

Nerdstrom, please eat nitrate stock til you explode

some Amazon confidence reading:

https://boingboing.net/2018/10/23/oppenheimers-ai.html

As for using "liberal" as a pejorative, the American liberal is the most right-leaning iteration on the planet, and its quintessence right now is Chuck Schumer. So yes, fuck em.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), 24. oktober 2018 16:34 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is hilariously wrong, btw.

"confidence" kind of a weird thing to assess wrt Amazon

― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, October 24, 2018 8:53 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not even confident my shit will arrive when they promise it will or that the shit they send me will be the genuine article but at least they aren't hiding anything I guess!

They generally have a rep for good customer service. Is there a company we were rooting for to be ranked higher?

AT&T

To the extent that such polling is in any way "useful" I'd rather know what institutions/companies ppl think are ethical rather than "reliable" or whatever

i would find these confidence questions nearly impossible to answer

so, poll thread?

Imagining this to be some kind of “hipster” thing shows a complete lack of historical and ideological awareness.

man alive 100% correct this is actually an idiot 1930s USSR thing - social fascism

― Mordy, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:25 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Many of today's American liberals are not even social democrats.

fwiw I consider myself closer to social democrat than socialist, but the discourse has been swung so far to the right in this country that you kind of need socialism back in the mix to even get a half-assed shot at social democracy.

also just to throw this out there for some perspective, guess who said it was imperative that the bolsheviks embrace social democracy as the only way forward for the russian revolution

it was lenin, lenin said it