the genre known as dubstep - search and destroy

Blech. I have to assume you are kidding or you haven't actually heard much Dilla cuz thinking Major Force West > Amplified, Stakes Is High, Labincalifornia, Slum Village, hell even Donuts et all is pure troller-y.

Anyway you will probably love Flying Lotus.

I thought it was all vanity projects haha.

Looking at that list it is now clear than I don't smoke near enough pot haha.

oh wait, so you're going to count "stakes is high" and "labcabincalifornia" as dilla albums? can i count LCD soundsystem as UNKLE albums? because tim goldsworthy is on those, too ...

to be honest, i'm not super-crazy about "stakes is high". or "labcabincalifornia". i own all of the slum village albums, but i've gradually come to realize that each slum village album has about three good tracks on it. more or less they just keep remaking "tainted". anyway dilla's not on any of them so much, particulary the only one i *really* dig anymore which is "dirty district".

yes, it's true, mo'wax is music for weedidated white kids in hoodies, quite unlike, uh, "labcabincalifornia"

anyway talking about mo'wax is probably not a bad precedent on a dubstep thread

I'm not counting them as Dilla albums, but there are Dilla productions on them! The song "Stakes Is High" is Dilla! He did what half of Labcabincalifornia? If you are talking about complete albums, then I am not so sold on most of Dilla's (either one's he produced or under whatever alias he was using last), but no way a collection of his best productions doesn't shit all over whatever group of warmed over sample-jazz Mo Wax you want to put it up against.

"warmed-over sample jazz" vs the thrilling sounds of late de la soul

Yay let's choose the further! Where's my Runaways UK record?

former, ahem.

Why is no one turning up to defend mid-90s Ninja Tune? DJ Food fans? Anyone?

stuff didn't age very well. i still have a soft spot for Journeyman though.

stuff on mo'wax is much better than the runaways uk because it's spacier, colder, darker, druggier. same reason most people say dubstep is better than other breaks-driven stuff, like, uh, meat katie. and why people say meat katie is better than the freestylers.

i like dj food! jazz brakes 4 and 5, recipe for disaster, refried food, the one krautrock / philip glass type music EP that came in the clear case ... all dope.

Runways UK is RPM. They sound almost exactly the same. And I've heard most of the records you list there and those are no the adjectives I would use to described most of them. But whatever I'm glad someone is getting something out of them.

runaways UK is rpm?

that's cool, i mean roni size 93 is roni size 2008, doesn't mean there aren't good and bad roni size albums

More like Roni Size 94 is like Roni Size 95.

there's always a line

MW MFW 004 Various Mo Wax vs. Major Force: Time Has Come (12")
MW MFW 004 Various Mo Wax vs. Major Force: Time Has Come (12", Promo, W/Lbl

Are these two releases actually different btw?

yes, the second one is "Promo, W/Lbl", you ask such dense questions sometimes

Haha well I want to be sure. Have to complete my Jimmy Lavelle collection ya know.

mo wax put out some pretty turgid stuff over the years didn't they ? i couldn't stand attica blues for example. at least flying lotus has some bounce in his beats. will be interesting to see what he comes up with for the latest mary anne hobbs round up...

Radio 1 bass queen and biker chick Mary Anne Hobbs follows up The Warrior Dubz with a new unmixed compilation Evangeline for Planet Mu.

Like her first compilation The Warrior Dubz (2006), Evangeline brings together cuts from established names in dubstep (Pinch, Boxcutter, Shackleton), grime (Wiley) and techno (Surgeon, Claro Intelecto) with newcomers such as Unitz and Ben Frost. The compilation also includes cuts from two anonymous (but presumably well-known) producers: Cult Of The 13th Hour and Dakimh.

Tracklist

CD

01 Ital Tek – Archaic
02 Unitz – The Drop (CD only)
03 Shackleton – In The Void
04 Cult Of The 13th Hour – The Way Of The Gun
05 Wiley – Local Lad
06 Headhunter vs Ekelon – Timewarp
07 Darqwan – Universal Wan-ting
08 Ben Frost – Theory Of Machines
09 Flying Lotus – Flattery (Sympathy For The Biters)
10 Dakimh - Done
11 DJ Pinch – E Motiv
12 Magnetic Man – Ligma VIP
13 Tes La Rok feat Uncle Sam – Up In The VIP (CD only)
14 Surgeon – Right Road To Dubland
15 Boxcutter – Kab 27
16 Claro Intelecto – Beautiful Death

you're complaining about turgid on a dubstep thread?

haha - yes this is hardly the place for using that word.

Flying Lotus is really very boring.

But Appleblim's compilation looks excellent. "Infinity Is Now" is one of my tracks of the year, and 2562 can't really do anything wrong at the moment. Same pretty much true for TRG and Martyn.

flying lotus's "dance floor stalker" is a lovely track.

tim finney = OTM, 99% of the time

i'll get my coat. (i still stand by flying lotus though)

this might be that 1%

sometimes i wonder why so much stuff that i find "relaxing" other people label "boring"

lol@carl craig's thoughts on dubstep -
http://www.thewire.co.uk/articles/948/?pageno=7
Do you follow Dubstep?
Not actively, no. I had this really intense conversation with a guy at Rush Hour records in Amsterdam, a guy that was shopping there. He was almost, he was trying to force me to like Dubstep. You know, to just — to just tell him that I thought it was amazing. I was like, "I don't even know!" I know what Dubstep is but I don't know much of the music. He's like, "Ok, listen to this!" And the track that he played was a really boring dub reggae-ish record. Dub is great for three minutes each track. But 10 minutes, it's like, what the fuck is this? I like music. I don't care if it's Techno or House or dub reggae or Trance… Ok, I do kinda there. But if it's a good track, that's what I'm interested in. I don't care what style it is. If fucking Britney Spears makes a track that's good, I'm gonna like it.

The appleblim is definitely great - i heard a good 2/3 of it ahead of time but it still mixes nice.

Carl Craig otm

Really great mix and nice that tempa aren't just pushing the jump-up-dulltard-bullshit which is surely where, relatively, the big bucks are in dubstep.

Echo Tim's sentiments on TRG (Ramadanman refix isn't too clever however), 2562 & Martyn

Nice vocal tracks too.

And I just realised that the pretty decent Pinch track is from his album which I never picked up because I heard a few tracks and the MC on top of them was heavy shite. Need to reassess that decision.

http://img.snowrecords.com/cd/C878.jpg

pubstep.

Jim the CD version of the Pinch album comes with a bonus disc of instrumentals, and the vocal version and the instrumental version are sold separately on vinyl.

almost -- there is no vocal version on vinyl. two of the tracks got released on a separate 12", but that's it.

I did know about the instrumental disc but I kinda felt reluctant to buy an album I thought was rubbish just to listen to the instrumentals. Think it might just have been Juakali that I was hating on.

wow, it makes me happy that scuba mix up thread is still available. good stuff.

Nothing on Burial?

I am no master of dubstep, but I would have assumed this guy would be at least mentioned!

I love both the albums.

Yeah clearly not enough Burial talk here on ILX.

Yeah clearly not enough Burial talk here on ILX.

-- Alex in SF,

lol

our work: I think you're looking for this thread: Burial

Astley could take on Burial anyday.

well, yeah

so, APPLEBLIM ... any good

which of these is best:

dubstep allstars six (appleblim)
rinse 02 (skream)
scuba album
round black ghosts comp on ~scape

dubstep allstars six

I haven't heard any of them yet but based on tracklistings my desire to hear them would be as follows:

1) Dubstep Allstars Six
2) Round Black Ghosts
3) Skuba
4) Rinse 02