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idk the whole vibe of HD (and yes this is mostly Mould) is being angry at other people on a personal level, it's just not a headspace I care to be in. it's not interesting to me.

So 'growing out of Papa Roach' = dud?

Fascinating -- no shade! Mould, even in HD, presented himself as a person enduring performative rage; he's too cool, too rational at the mike or playing guitar. These are compliments.

xp to Alfred

Plenty of music deals with emotions we all have. Perhaps "empathize" is more accurate?

Mould's rage isn't just aimed at friends and lovers, his most notable songs for HD have relatively varied subject matter: Chartered Trips is 'no future, i'm fucked' existentialist wail, Celebrated Summer is nostalgic and joyous, and like I said before Something I Learned Today, In a Free Land, Everything Falls Apart, Divide and Conquer, and Games are aimed at systems and society. New Day Rising is another one, a song of pure feeling with one lyric.

xp I can't remember the last time I heard "Last Resort" or "Scars" but they still rule

"growing out of music" = dud

― flappy bird, Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:31 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Au contraire, growing out of music is classic. You grow (older), and don off music you once loved and that once helped you, because it does not do anything for you anymore in the present, for the new/'grown' you. You can still retain a great deal of respect for the music that served your dire needs once, but have grown out of it all the same. Classic all the way.

Perspective certainly changes, but what I enjoyed about those songs and albums then and now is their sound. Revisiting something like Picaresque years later was a joy, a nostalgic indulgence for sure, but I don't like it any less. I don't think that's the same as "outgrowing" it. Same goes for all the ear candy on MTV in the late 90s and early/mid-00s.

We're on the verge of going into semantics here; I agree with what you said. Nostalgic indulgence isn't outgrowing it, 'tistrue.

yeah, and I suppose the fact that I don't listen to them much at all anymore - unlike other childhood favorites like Green Day, Nirvana, Pumpkins, Beatles - is outgrowing in a sense.

It'll always look weird to me to see a dude with a full head of gray hair donning a Vandals t-shirt and a chain wallet. Like, your daughter just graduated college, man, buy a friggin' Brubeck record and go pick out some curtains fer chrissakes

but I realize I'm just being judgmental; this is a new frontier and we shall soon witness nursing homes full of goths, white gangstas, and dreadlocked crust punks, and that's gonna be wild, my friends

I was at Gilman St last year for a Lookout Records anniversary thing (my cousin was in town for it) and... it was pretty strange for just those reasons

"growing out of music" = dud

― flappy bird

for a long time in my life i didn't "grow out of" music, didn't particularly want to. last couple of years i've changed enough that i've stopped really liking some music i used to like - primarily frank zappa and magma. i can see what i liked about them, but i just don't enjoy listening to it much. gotta let go of the past sometimes, man.

For me, it's less about growing out of music, and more about having listened to certain things so many times that I can immediately recall them completely, so I feel like I just dont need to listen to them again. I'd rather spend my time listening to something I haven't completely wrapped my head around yet.

does anyone feel like every time they revisit something, it's like they didn't "get it" in the first place? i'm constantly re-getting everything, with the caveat that i'm not really getting it because i'm going to re-get it again. it can be a little exhausting. i think that's part of the reason why i don't listen to more music than i do.

"Growing out of music" is like growing out of the stuff that taught you reading comprehension, or taught you emotional resilience or whatever. It becomes part of you even if you don't feel the need to digest it again on the same terms that it was once digested

Age 13, I was dragged by my love of The Police into loving the first solo record by Sting. I have no wish to ever hear this record again and I don’t think I am diminished by that.
On the other hand I listened daily to Tusk from the age of 9 and would still happily do that. I’d hate to grow out of that music.

growth as expansion vs growth as refinement. I don't think liking as much as possible is the goal, but I do think being able to suspend whatever you think your needs are and being open to the unknown is an essential part of growth

does anyone feel like every time they revisit something, it's like they didn't "get it" in the first place? i'm constantly re-getting everything, with the caveat that i'm not really getting it because i'm going to re-get it again. it can be a little exhausting. i think that's part of the reason why i don't listen to more music than i do.

― macropuente (map), Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:04 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have this too but I find it more invigorating than exhausting. I will admit that the constant access to every piece of music ever made can be a tad wearying, but that isn't the same thing

Are we doing new releases? I don't understand why Marie Davidson gets a pass on that opening track from her new album. I thought it was so dumb.

growth as expansion vs growth as refinement. I don't think liking as much as possible is the goal, but I do think being able to suspend whatever you think your needs are and being open to the unknown is an essential part of growth

― ogmor, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:57 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm i think

EBows are corny

:(

they can be, yeah, but they can also be cool!

Husker Du's "The Baby Song" is fun and funny.

EBows are corny

― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 7:55 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

FP!!!

I don't know if this is for here or the rockism thread but I was being given a lift and the Ariana Grande song Breathin' came on the radio and it sounded like absolute crap and it almost felt good to hate a pop song by an ILM-approved artist again. But then again, car speakers

Greta Van Fleet are fine.

that ogmor post is super cool

i think i'm only open to the unknown like .. once a month though lol

does anyone feel like every time they revisit something, it's like they didn't "get it" in the first place? i'm constantly re-getting everything, with the caveat that i'm not really getting it because i'm going to re-get it again. it can be a little exhausting. i think that's part of the reason why i don't listen to more music than i do.

― macropuente (map), Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:04 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. and it's like.., why didn't i just cut to the chase and like this the first time around? especially after loudly proclaiming ur dislike of something, to revisit it and instantly see how wrong u were lol

Nina Simone's music is astonishingly uninspired given the critical arselicking she gets.

Go listen to Nina Simone at Newport and then try to post that with a straight face

Nah, I've had enough.

quoth inspiration connoisseur 'jon123'

Music is shit

i love it

I imagine this is less controversial round here, but in everyday life my stance that Queen were utterly shit in so many ways seems to really bother people

Queen suck, you are otm

you gonna catch the biopic?

Haha its the biopic thats made it such a hot topic. People think that because I'm a gay man and I love music that I must be into Queen and the disbelief I've been met with when I say that I find their music wholly unpleasant has been really... well, unsurprising because Queen are considered icond etc but really they are just awful arent they

biopics = also awful

the only way that film could be any more unappealing was if Bradley Cooper was playing Freddie Mercury

Queen are fucking garbage. I totally don't get it. (I also don't get the appeal of Roxy Music or T. Rex - or glam in general. There's this whole musical-theater-kid side of early 70s British rock that's completely fucking baffling to me.)

I think it's pretty "funny" for anyone to assume that a gay, music-loving man must be into Queen

the only way that film could be any more unappealing was if Bradley Cooper was playing Freddie Mercury

Or Sasha Baron Cohen.

Lol yes

Never really connected with Queen either, though I acknowledge that 1) Freddie is a talented singer--whatever that means, and 2) Brian May has a very distinctive (and cool) guitar tone. But yeah, I don't ever really want to listen to Queen.

But I hated Kiss for like thirty years and now I don't so maybe a day will come when it clicks, who knows

Roxy Music is great though

Paul OTM re: Queen

I like their hits, can't really be bothered to dig further.