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it's fine not to like it, but "pwecious feewlings" is some retrograde garbage

otm

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link

understandable too but i don't think it's fair to impugn the emotions of the young from the vantage point of the old

ok granted I was being a bit harsh, but really at this point in my life those just aren't feelings I have or relate to, so the music doesn't serve much purpose except to remind me of how I felt when I was 16 and well, why wallow in that. But yeah as an adult I find myself less drawn into songs that focus on shitty relationships or being resentful about what other people think of me or whatever because those are just not a part of my life. I am lucky enough to have a very stable relationship, and am just not involved in any kind of emotional soap opera with my peers that would cause me any anxiety.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link

Even when I was young HD came off too gloomy and dour for me, much uncertainty about life, lots of lyrics about "just don't know" and "just don't care" that were certainly part of the general punk rock worldview, but just not my thing.

Freddy "Boom Boom" QAnon (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:19 (five years ago) link

we got some dudes moving in new furniture in the office today and one of them just proclaimed "bob dylan absolutely sucks"

marcos, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link

you could apply 'precious feelings being hurt' to like 90% of music. Plastic Ono Band? also Husker Du hardly ever moped (they have their moments - "Hardly Getting Over It"), but it's more aimless angst and vague political fury like "In a Free Land" or "Divide and Conquer" or "Something I Learned Today."

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link

Why do people give a shit about Husker Dus lyrics

It’s how they were singing them and the melody behind it

If the latter are strong enough I don’t care how self-absorbed they scan

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link

Even back when hurt feelings were my bread and butter I didn't care for them. But then again, I never paid attention to their lyrics either.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuJzSTNDUGI

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link

*actual controversial opinion alert*

Husker Du is boring, their records sound bad, and all the songwriting about their pwecious hurt feewings is really tiresome

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:50 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a really poor take on Grant Hart's songwriting

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link

I feel like people are just talking about Bob here mostly

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link

Why do people give a shit about Husker Dus lyrics

It’s how they were singing them and the melody behind it

If the latter are strong enough I don’t care how self-absorbed they scan

― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, October 23, 2018 1:31 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree melody and delivery can overpower crap lyrics, but I give a shit about HD lyrics because they're often great for what they are - pissed off aimless teenage angst. "Got nothing to do, got nothing to say / Everything is so fucked up I guess we like it that way / Everything falls apart." that's fucking great.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link

HD's most nakedly political song instead of subtler ones like "Pink Turns to Blue" is "Turn on the News" -- hardly 'just don't care'

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link

true, and those are both Grant songs. as always Bob's songs and style are what come up when talking about HD. but even "In a Free Land" isn't really a 'fuck it' political song, it's as strident as "Turn on the News."

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link

ok granted I was being a bit harsh, but really at this point in my life those just aren't feelings I have or relate to, so the music doesn't serve much purpose except to remind me of how I felt when I was 16 and well, why wallow in that.
they are not feelings that I personally relate to as an adult either; still, not relating to them as an adult does not render them dismissable entirely with a wave of the hand from someone with the benefit of hindsight. unwarranted harshness isn't controversial so much as just kind of mean? why punch down on your teen self? i have more compassion for my teen self now than i did as a teen.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link

"growing out of music" = dud

idk there aren't any bands or albums or songs that I loved as a kid that I don't still like. I may not listen to N*SYNC or The Decemberists anymore, but when I do revisit something like Picaresque or "Bye Bye Bye" I enjoy it.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link

I don't understand "relating to music." I guess it's happened to me a few times.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link

idk the whole vibe of HD (and yes this is mostly Mould) is being angry at other people on a personal level, it's just not a headspace I care to be in. it's not interesting to me.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link

So 'growing out of Papa Roach' = dud?

pomenitul, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link

Fascinating -- no shade! Mould, even in HD, presented himself as a person enduring performative rage; he's too cool, too rational at the mike or playing guitar. These are compliments.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link

xp to Alfred

Plenty of music deals with emotions we all have. Perhaps "empathize" is more accurate?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link

Mould's rage isn't just aimed at friends and lovers, his most notable songs for HD have relatively varied subject matter: Chartered Trips is 'no future, i'm fucked' existentialist wail, Celebrated Summer is nostalgic and joyous, and like I said before Something I Learned Today, In a Free Land, Everything Falls Apart, Divide and Conquer, and Games are aimed at systems and society. New Day Rising is another one, a song of pure feeling with one lyric.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link

xp I can't remember the last time I heard "Last Resort" or "Scars" but they still rule

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link

"growing out of music" = dud

― flappy bird, Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:31 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Au contraire, growing out of music is classic. You grow (older), and don off music you once loved and that once helped you, because it does not do anything for you anymore in the present, for the new/'grown' you. You can still retain a great deal of respect for the music that served your dire needs once, but have grown out of it all the same. Classic all the way.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link

Perspective certainly changes, but what I enjoyed about those songs and albums then and now is their sound. Revisiting something like Picaresque years later was a joy, a nostalgic indulgence for sure, but I don't like it any less. I don't think that's the same as "outgrowing" it. Same goes for all the ear candy on MTV in the late 90s and early/mid-00s.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link

We're on the verge of going into semantics here; I agree with what you said. Nostalgic indulgence isn't outgrowing it, 'tistrue.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link

yeah, and I suppose the fact that I don't listen to them much at all anymore - unlike other childhood favorites like Green Day, Nirvana, Pumpkins, Beatles - is outgrowing in a sense.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link

It'll always look weird to me to see a dude with a full head of gray hair donning a Vandals t-shirt and a chain wallet. Like, your daughter just graduated college, man, buy a friggin' Brubeck record and go pick out some curtains fer chrissakes

but I realize I'm just being judgmental; this is a new frontier and we shall soon witness nursing homes full of goths, white gangstas, and dreadlocked crust punks, and that's gonna be wild, my friends

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 22:39 (five years ago) link

I was at Gilman St last year for a Lookout Records anniversary thing (my cousin was in town for it) and... it was pretty strange for just those reasons

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link

"growing out of music" = dud

― flappy bird

for a long time in my life i didn't "grow out of" music, didn't particularly want to. last couple of years i've changed enough that i've stopped really liking some music i used to like - primarily frank zappa and magma. i can see what i liked about them, but i just don't enjoy listening to it much. gotta let go of the past sometimes, man.

dub pilates (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 00:12 (five years ago) link

For me, it's less about growing out of music, and more about having listened to certain things so many times that I can immediately recall them completely, so I feel like I just dont need to listen to them again. I'd rather spend my time listening to something I haven't completely wrapped my head around yet.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:37 (five years ago) link

does anyone feel like every time they revisit something, it's like they didn't "get it" in the first place? i'm constantly re-getting everything, with the caveat that i'm not really getting it because i'm going to re-get it again. it can be a little exhausting. i think that's part of the reason why i don't listen to more music than i do.

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link

"Growing out of music" is like growing out of the stuff that taught you reading comprehension, or taught you emotional resilience or whatever. It becomes part of you even if you don't feel the need to digest it again on the same terms that it was once digested

fgti is for (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 06:03 (five years ago) link

Age 13, I was dragged by my love of The Police into loving the first solo record by Sting. I have no wish to ever hear this record again and I don’t think I am diminished by that.
On the other hand I listened daily to Tusk from the age of 9 and would still happily do that. I’d hate to grow out of that music.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 06:27 (five years ago) link

growth as expansion vs growth as refinement. I don't think liking as much as possible is the goal, but I do think being able to suspend whatever you think your needs are and being open to the unknown is an essential part of growth

ogmor, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 07:57 (five years ago) link

does anyone feel like every time they revisit something, it's like they didn't "get it" in the first place? i'm constantly re-getting everything, with the caveat that i'm not really getting it because i'm going to re-get it again. it can be a little exhausting. i think that's part of the reason why i don't listen to more music than i do.

― macropuente (map), Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:04 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have this too but I find it more invigorating than exhausting. I will admit that the constant access to every piece of music ever made can be a tad wearying, but that isn't the same thing

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 10:34 (five years ago) link

Are we doing new releases? I don't understand why Marie Davidson gets a pass on that opening track from her new album. I thought it was so dumb.

ninthyoung, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 11:30 (five years ago) link

growth as expansion vs growth as refinement. I don't think liking as much as possible is the goal, but I do think being able to suspend whatever you think your needs are and being open to the unknown is an essential part of growth

― ogmor, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:57 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm i think

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 12:00 (five years ago) link

EBows are corny

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 12:55 (five years ago) link

:(

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 13:00 (five years ago) link

they can be, yeah, but they can also be cool!

akm, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 13:06 (five years ago) link

Husker Du's "The Baby Song" is fun and funny.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link

EBows are corny

― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 7:55 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

FP!!!

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:05 (five years ago) link

I don't know if this is for here or the rockism thread but I was being given a lift and the Ariana Grande song Breathin' came on the radio and it sounded like absolute crap and it almost felt good to hate a pop song by an ILM-approved artist again. But then again, car speakers

imago, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link

Greta Van Fleet are fine.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link

that ogmor post is super cool

macropuente (map), Thursday, 25 October 2018 04:01 (five years ago) link

i think i'm only open to the unknown like .. once a month though lol

macropuente (map), Thursday, 25 October 2018 04:02 (five years ago) link

does anyone feel like every time they revisit something, it's like they didn't "get it" in the first place? i'm constantly re-getting everything, with the caveat that i'm not really getting it because i'm going to re-get it again. it can be a little exhausting. i think that's part of the reason why i don't listen to more music than i do.

― macropuente (map), Wednesday, October 24, 2018 12:04 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. and it's like.., why didn't i just cut to the chase and like this the first time around? especially after loudly proclaiming ur dislike of something, to revisit it and instantly see how wrong u were lol

flopson, Thursday, 25 October 2018 05:59 (five years ago) link

Nina Simone's music is astonishingly uninspired given the critical arselicking she gets.

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:15 (five years ago) link

Go listen to Nina Simone at Newport and then try to post that with a straight face

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:21 (five years ago) link

Nah, I've had enough.

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Thursday, 25 October 2018 13:56 (five years ago) link


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