What Is Rockism ?

yeah i meant jason.

i don’t think that this brand of revivalism is all that surprising given the way classic rock radio has managed to remain on the fm dial even as music formats have been eaten away there. and modern rock radio is a hookless shambles (or worse, it’s elevating crap like portugal. the bland). as a result getting the led out has become an inter generational tradition. (and a lot of my students, age <22, were raised on classic rock still.)

also how has nobody compared this revivalism-drenched family band to kings of leon yet

good call on Kings Of Leon, also thanks for the dn

feel like i should also point out that three weeks ago at a SUPERNATURAL event jensen ackles specifically shouted out gvf as a band the brothers would probably crank.

xp

a lot of my students, age <22, were raised on classic rock still

Middle school aged kids still want to learn these songs on guitar.

The chorus of "Wait for You" still gets in my head sometimes btw.

I just don't think the big show business dollar even tries to get into the rock band business, too much overhead and not enough profit. It can take years and years for a live act to even build up to playing decent sized rooms even in the age of shared media. Shared media is great to get started, but it seems to have a bit of a ceiling.

Alot of the old heartland/southern rock has pretty much gotten absorbed into country music. Still many of those groups are bands that live by playing live, they are not big radio/TV bands for the most part.

lindsay zoladz is a good writer and that was a fun piece on an embarrasing band

are there people itt who think greta van fleet are something other than a fucking monstrosity or are y'all just being contrarian for the sake of it?

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i honestly thought Greta Van Fleet was some Sharon Van Etten type solo artist just from seeing the name at random around the 'net, shades of teenage me picking up a Catherine Wheel record because i thought the Liz Phair album was cool and wanted more lady music in the collection.

I'd never heard of Greta Van Fleet before this thread. Don't know what to make of omar little's 'well I thought the band was like Sharon van Etten y bcz they both have 'van' in their name'... Ok buddy...

haha omar that is awesome

xp no he's saying he thought it was a person, not a band

It's Fred Van Vleet's sister, iirc

Don't know what to make of omar little's 'well I thought the band was like Sharon van Etten y bcz they both have 'van' in their name'... Ok buddy...

LMAO

Greta Van Fleet will never create anything as great as "Here I Go Again"

to be fair to omar, greta van fleet is a horrifically bad band name

to be even fairer to omar, i thought led zeppelin was a dude's name when i first heard of them (probably when i was in fifth grade).

not only is it an awful bad name, the pun has already been done better by camper van beethoven!

to be even fairer to omar, i thought led zeppelin was a dude's name when i first heard of them (probably when i was in fifth grade).

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i don’t think that this brand of revivalism is all that surprising given the way classic rock radio has managed to remain on the fm dial even as music formats have been eaten away there. and modern rock radio is a hookless shambles (or worse, it’s elevating crap like portugal. the bland). as a result getting the led out has become an inter generational tradition. (and a lot of my students, age <22, were raised on classic rock still.)

maura otm

I think I was just mixing them up with Greta Van Susteren.

i thought GVF was named after an old lady from the town they’re from, kinda like a lynyrd skynyrd sorta thing ?

So basically we’re blaming ludwig

Heh: https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/greta-van-fleet-anthem-of-the-peaceful-army/

he he he

They've really worked out how to simulate Zep's early-career drubbing from the critics.

Is that the first hardcore high profile Fork takedown since Jet?

Brothers Jake and Sam Kiszka, on guitar and bass, are both wearing hippie costumes they 3D-printed off the internet.

OK, this is bullshit hedging:

They make music that sounds exactly like Led Zeppelin and demand very little other than forgetting how good Led Zeppelin often were.

Often were? GTFO. ALWAYS were!

Just had a listen to this band, they aren't bad exactly, incredibly derivative for sure, but competently performed genre music there's a market for. I don't think we need to have a problem with heritage genre music (it's like if people want to play trad jazz as a hobby, that's their call of course) but yes, a bit more self-awareness and a bit less arrogance would be very welcome.

"We had what I would call a vinyl playground growing up," explains singer Josh Kiszka, 21, about the immense record collection the kids got their hands on early and wore out thanks to their bass-playing dad. "We had these little record players and we would slow them down and speed them up and I was listening to people like Wilson Pickett, Joe Cocker, Sam & Dave, but we also listened to all kinds of other stuff, like John Denver."

What's the minimum score pitchfork gives an album when they're not trying to make a point? I feel like I don't often see anything scored below a 5.

That review is a fun read, but I definitely can't point any fingers at people getting excited about new bands that sound like modern copies of bands they grew up with, cuz that's my jam.

So when the Greta Van Fleet of your favorite artist finally lands on your morning playlist, spark up a bowl of nostalgia and enjoy the self-satisfied buzz of recognizing something you already know. It’s the cheapest high in music.

I refer to that as the Waterworld Property. Waterworld (the time I saw it) is not a good movie, but it's so similar to the The Road Warrior that it can only be so bad.

This review reads exactly like an early-2000s pitchfork review and demands very little other than forgetting how good early 2000s pitchfork reviews often were.

hot take: they were not good very often

yeah what?

Pitchfork in taking down bland whiteboy cosplay rock band shockah

So when the Greta Van Fleet of your favorite artist finally lands on your morning playlist, spark up a bowl of nostalgia and enjoy the self-satisfied buzz of recognizing something you already know. It’s the cheapest high in music.

this turned out pretty well for me wrt silversun pickups

Is that the first hardcore high profile Fork takedown since Jet?

they reviewed ed sheeran last year iirc

Thing is, I’d be surprised if many actual Zep fans liked these guys... as opposed to folks with just a vague idea of ’70s hard rock as a concept. Maybe I’m wrong.

i have and will always find takedowns really boring but ymmv

like, not even specifically this one, just the entire concept, especially when applied to music crit

Is there evidence that their popularity is as algorithm-driven as this review suggests?

someone somewhere is raking in cash for creating an algorithm that figured out that people like Led Zeppelin

okay i'll listen to these guys...first song "Age of Man" sounds a lot more like early Rush than Led Zep

there are some really Zeppy elements that make it difficult not to laugh at these songs

the most objectionable thing about this band is that the rhythm section are complete stiffs

i feel like these band's fundamentally don't understand what made zeppelin great, like when they say "Zep" i feel like they basically mean a subset of songs on Led Zeppelin II

yup

this has all happened before and will happen again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DZfgzNc0QE

Courtesy of YouTube's comment section for 'Highway Tune': 'I'm a classical guitarist, so I don't keep up with the latest rock or metal, but these young guys are the first thing to catch my ear in a long time with high energy, well written and well played infectious licks. The Kiszka boys have got it going.'

i think maybe that was Esteban

The Greta Van Fleet album is bad. (I listened to it front to back this morning, so I know.) But the Pitchfork review is not about whether the album is good or bad. It's about social positioning. Greta Van Fleet are Not Our Kind, and their music is for Those Other People.