Things you were shockingly old when you learned

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JIm Jar-moosh's 2 violent brothers..

his band the Del Byzanteens were quite great in places. A Girl's Imagination for one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7yrT1MJrw

Hadn't realised that he's actually played with John Lurie before they made films together

a film professor in university pronounced Jim Jarmusch's name "yarmusch" and he was usually right about everything else but i have never heard anyone else say it this way, ever

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this is awesome, instead of sounding dumb he sounds pretentious

I thought most surname pronunciations Americanised after a few generations anyway so a Scandinavian Y pronunciation for J spelling would cease to be. & assuming that that being the source of the name meant it still kept the same qualities is overthinking and indeed pretentious.
Yeah, like.

That’s my understanding - so you wouldn’t say “vakovski sisters”, say (if indeed that’s how you say it in polish, I don’t fucking know do I)

I think I once said 'tumeric' and my mum corrected me. Since then I've noticed that at least half of people seem to say it that way, including my wife, and I wonder what it is about the word that makes us want to drop the first r. I don't think I've ever heard anyone pronounce it to rhyme with numeric!

Idgi at all. No one says "tunip" or "tukey".

I haven't heard many of these words pronounced aloud.

Except for the director, Mr. Jair-a-moosh.

Speaking of words that are frequently mispronounced, or maybe not, why does everyone seem to pronounce (sea) anemone "an enemy" (i.e. -n-n-m- not -n-m-n-)?

After I saw it written down as a kid I made an effort to say the Ns and Ms in the right order next time and my gran asked me to repeat myself, after which she hmmed and moved on as if declining to point out my mistake, and since then I've tried not to say it out loud. Not that it comes up very often, but it'd be nice to know if I'm missing something.

(NB "everyone" here is mainly my family, so maybe it's another from my Dad's family's repertoire of in-jokes stemming from 1950s radio comedies or something - but I have heard other people say it like that too, and I'm not sure I've heard anyone except myself say it -n-m-n- out loud)

you are right, they are wrong

Correct pronunciation of 'anemone' iirc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fW3_Zvd8ME

Lol, Josh Fenderman is a national treasure

I struggle with anemone myself. I put it the same childhood boat as sumbarine instead of submarine.

I wonder what it is about the word that makes us want to drop the first r

I wonder if it's something to do with the strongly pronounced 'r' sound right after the 'm'. Maybe that has the effect of de-emphasizing the first 'r' so that some dialects eventually dropped it.

I didnt imagine id get a chance to share this feel, but the new and effective shingles vaccine is named “Shingrix,” which is horrible and unpronounceable (tho not as horrible as a couple of cases of shingles i’ve seen, so...”pass me that Shingrix.”

i mean i think i used to say turmeric and i think it's just because the -urm- in there makes it hard to tell in some typefaces that the R is even there.

dammit. i used to say TUMeric is what i meant

IT'S NOT A TUMERIC!!!

if we can say amorous and terminator and hermeneutic and philip sherburne it can't be THAT tough??

yeah, but hemeneutic doesn't "look" like a word, and terminator has been heard by everyone with a TV, and wait what amorous?

The Todd Rundgren song that always reminds me of the Beatles' "You Won't See Me" is called "I Saw The Light." Must've heard it 100 times, never knew what it was called.

That song the Finsbury Park busker plays every day is not, in fact, a cocktail jazz song from the 1980s, but the instrumental of an apparently popular modern song called "despacito"

Hesitant to bring up 'suprise' at this point..

Or Febuary

xxp is the busker named Alexa y/n

That the line in LCD soundsystem's Losing My Edge about "You want to make a Yaz record" refers to Yazoo, who were apparently called Yaz in America, not to Yazz, singer of The Only Way Is Up.

I just read a review of a seemingly comprehensive compilation of the Vince Clarke group that's just coming out in Electronic Sound today. Did love the early singles.
Was there a legal issue with the reissue label of the same name, both of which are named after a river which I think is a tributary of the Mississippi, that caused the renaming of the UK act?

Yeah, that's exactly the reason, according to Wikipedia. Apparently, they named the band after the label, and were threatened with a lawsuit.

Yeah saw that after I posted taht. I thought they'd both arrived at the name from the same inspiration rather than one being named after the other. But I guess Alison Moyet should know where she got her band name from.
NOt sure exactly why that area is significant. Is that where the Delta lies or something?

so many people I know say 'tumour-ic', even accomplished cooks. The 'r' is so definitely there. what gives?

i guess they maybe feel that its not that big a deal idk

I don't understand how it's not a big deal if we've spent an entire day discussing it on message board ILX.

I assume 'tumour-ic' is more common in the UK due to the whole non-rhotic thing, but it's apparently taken root (pun initially unintended) in North America as well.

Also 90% of this thread is about 'things you were old when you learned'. Maybe that's the point, idk.

Langguage changes through usage anyway so spelling may be out of step with current pronunciation, it's happened before and it will happen again.
The fact that a large number of people don't pronounce the first r means that there is a usage of the word that pronounces it that way.
I'm not sure about word roots as to whether that was the coming together of a few root words hence the spelling being what it is.

Would just think that language fluidity means that there is currently a disparity which may or may not mean a spelling change at some point in the future.

lot of rhotic discrimination itt jist sayin thats a class thing

I don't think I even noticed the first 'r' in 'turmeric' until well into adulthood. I certainly never heard it pronounced with an 'r' before then. My own speech is sprinkled with regional variants left over from a childhood of endlessly moving around the US, so I try not to be too prescriptive. Although 'cyoo-pon' is just unforgivable, let's be real.

hmm but not pronouncing the Rs in non-rhotic accents doesn't mean the vowel sound is different (usually). I might not pronounce the first R in turmeric but I don't say tumour-ic, I say it the same way a rhotic person would say it just without the pronounced R sound.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/turmeric

turmeric (n.)

pungent powder made from the root of an East Indian plant, 1530s, altered from Middle English turmeryte (early 15c.), of uncertain origin, perhaps from Middle French terremérite "saffron," from Medieval Latin terra merita, literally "worthy earth," though the reason why it would be called this is obscure. Klein suggests it might be a folk-etymology corruption of Arabic kurkum "curcuma, saffron."

explains why the r was there probably but words change a lot and only tend to remain the same because of printing etc.

I'm not sure I've ever said the word 'turmeric' out loud before, I don't see how you can avoid the first R though.

http://lazenby.tumblr.com/post/109628210407/list-of-shibboleth-names

* the film "Carnival of Souls" is a low-budget horror movie from the 60s, not a sophisticated foreign film from the 80s as i assumed from how it was mentioned in video-store vignettes in Understanding Comics

Tbf I always make it a point to pronounce foreign names as correctly as possible out of respect. My own name is mostly unpronounceable to English speakers so while I'm neutral towards people who adapt it to their own parlance, I'm always appreciative of those who make an effort. So chalking it up to class arrogance is facile imho.

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If anyone can tell me how Sofia Coppola pronounces her first name I’d welcome the opportunity to lord it over the hoi polloi

SOfea, SoFEEa or SoFIRE

Carnival of Souls definitely has art movie aspirations tho - it's clearly influenced by Bergman, and parts of it seem to anticipate the David Lynch of Eraserhead. It's not quite a cheapo exploitation pic like an HG Lewis or Andy Milligan atrocity.

i think the 'by which the privileged judge their inferiors' part is mostly a joke, but either way it's an interesting list. i probably knew about 20%

.. and with a seriously fantastic organ score to boot. xp

CoS definitely punches above its weight, it's a great little film.