brief scene where jesse turns up at his parents and -- after they decide to lay down the law -- they see him meticulously laying out the cutlery at table, like a little kid doing his chores properly, is just heartbreaking
― mark s, Saturday, 20 October 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
this is probably just coincidence but i can't help noticing how often people in the crystal meth game same "saul good" to one another :)
― mark s, Sunday, 21 October 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
I noticed that too! Wondered if I was just reaching.
I never got round to watching more than S1 the first time round so I'm also watching it at present, also to see the BCS overlaps ("it wasnt me! It was Ignacio!" was the best one).
Even though hes now a cranky cripple I still hate Hank. Stupid arrogant meathead.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 21 October 2018 22:04 (five years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/UkV9aOn.png
― pplains, Sunday, 21 October 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
at the end of series one the only person i like even a little is jesse (and i wouldn't want to spend IRL time with him)
― mark s, Monday, 22 October 2018 09:23 (five years ago) link
it's really hard to imagine what this show would have been if jesse had died in s1 as originally planned
man he really goes through the wringer in this show :(
― i’ll hufflepuff i’ll blow you away (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 October 2018 09:47 (five years ago) link
lol i had def forgotten how fast this moves and how quickly walt descends into a chaotic hellworld
compare BCS: mike sits in a car for three eps, grunts once
― mark s, Monday, 22 October 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
I actually just started watching this, on like Episode 5 of the first season now. I think I'm the only person I know who hasn't seen it all yet.
really enjoying it so far but I kinda get the impression that a lot of the plot was rearranged to make an awesome pilot episode. kind of getting whiplash from how quickly this goes from an insane crime drama to "how ever will I pay for this cancer treatment?"
kind of a nice touch making the sign-spinner be one of Jesse's buddies, I've heard numerous times that nearly everyone who does that job is someone who just got out of jail
― frogbs, Monday, 22 October 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, October 21, 2018 6:04 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hank is the decentest major character on this whole show imo
― k3vin k., Monday, 22 October 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
That may be true but he is also a boorish racist pig
― coetzee.cx (wins), Monday, 22 October 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
hank is a great character because there's always simultaneously more to him than you quite thought, and then less: like the boorishness is a mask, for a slightly different more anxious kind of boorishness -- he really is kind sometimes, and worried, but he never won't cloak that just when you're about to like him a bit, with more being an arsehole
― mark s, Monday, 22 October 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
btw can I just say that for a meth head Jesse has some really great teeth. like, those chompers practically break the fourth wall. just sayin
― frogbs, Monday, 22 October 2018 20:09 (five years ago) link
Thats a really good point.
Ugh speaking of meth teeth I have never felt such visceral creeped-outedness at the scene where Dale Dickey as the freakish meth lady let out that INSANE cackling as she was robbing ...Combo or Skinny Pete or whichever of them it was. Dear god she was in that role.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 22 October 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link
I can't imagine re-watching this show tbh
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 October 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link
otoh omg clickbad is still up and running
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 October 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link
clickingbad
I mean
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 October 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
rewatching from the start bcz it soothes me in dreadful times
― mark s, Saturday, October 20, 2018 4:48 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mark s, Monday, 22 October 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
I'm not rewatching it fwiw, I havent seen it before.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 22 October 2018 22:11 (five years ago) link
wikipedia quotes gilligan as now regretting jesse's too-great teeth -- i guess i took as i watched it to mean that jesse isn't that huge or long-term of a user yet? (which is also why he can sortakinda get on top of things now and then: yes he's a stoner doofus but he's not yet ineluctably on the slide away from all possible potential) (esp.in tow with his old buddy and mentor walt white)
― mark s, Monday, 22 October 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link
Hank was definitely my favourite character when he was Hank; thought the show lost a lot when he was Shell of Hank after the shooting (even if that did make sense). Flawed, for sure--in the best possible ways, I thought.
― clemenza, Monday, 22 October 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/breakingbad/images/a/ad/Schraderbrau.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140317220030
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 00:13 (five years ago) link
he was just a one-note doofus/foil before the shooting though
― Nhex, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 06:33 (five years ago) link
no, Mark’s post is v otm - the mix of masc dickhead & empathetic caring was always a fun part of Hank’s makeup, and a big pointer to Walt’s ineluctable assholiness. Hank v plainly didn’t get Walt’s whole non-blokey deal, but was genuinely committed to his well-being as a family member. whereas Walt, always seething with more resentment than his sad sack ought to be able to hold, couldn’t find a way to meet him halfway.
― Teasing The Big Myth (sic), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 08:34 (five years ago) link
yeah, that's v otm - dean norris does a phenomenal job fleshing hank's character out, it's a shame that he hasn't found an opportunity to showcase just how good an actor he is outside breaking bad (afaik anyway)
also it was funny when he tweeted the phrase 'sex gifs' a while back
― i’ll hufflepuff i’ll blow you away (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 08:43 (five years ago) link
he hasn't been shot yet in my rewatch
― mark s, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 09:47 (five years ago) link
maybe he'll escape injury this time
― i’ll hufflepuff i’ll blow you away (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 09:51 (five years ago) link
fingers crossed
― mark s, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 09:54 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxHjoUXYldQ
― a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 10:17 (five years ago) link
(sorry 4 spoilers)
― a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 10:18 (five years ago) link
Didn't find pre-shooting Hank to be one-note at all--would echo the posts above. For me, the most recognizable character from real life. I've know a few Hanks in my life, starting with my dad, to a degree. Norris also seemed to be having more fun than anybody with his role, something that always registers with me--cf. Joanna Cassidy in Six Feet Under.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 11:35 (five years ago) link
i tried rewatching this a while back, i did not enjoy it. so much of the appeal of the show for me is the fast-moving forward pace of the plot and it just wasn't as interesting to me the second time around.
we started better call saul recently, it is... different. really slow. we are almost done w/ the first season and i still feel like we're only 3-4 episodes in plotwise
― marcos, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 13:04 (five years ago) link
Get used to it, the first season is the breeziest.
― chap, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 13:39 (five years ago) link
BCS s7: mike sits in a car all season, he grunts once (ep 4)
^^^stoked nevertheless, would watch and watch again
― mark s, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 13:44 (five years ago) link
BCS s9: A thirteen hour surveillance project is shown in real time. Mike almost seems like he's going to grunt at one point but he's too busy duct taping a rake to an electrical pylon.
― a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link
It occasionally cuts to five minute scenes of Jimmy and Kim very deliberately ignoring each other in various locations.
― chap, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
BCS >>>> BB
this is a fact
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
this is a factfad
― chap, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
i think BSC is better than BB also *BUT* BB is very extremely rewatchable bcz things don't all have to be the same
― mark s, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:49 (five years ago) link
and looking forward to s9's pylon-rake action
― mark s, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, October 22, 2018 3:06 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Already made 3.13T tbh
― gbx, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:50 (five years ago) link
lol i just caught myself carefully trying to work out how old walt is meant to be based on him repping for boz scaggs (as "better than any of your bands today") and skyler and walt jr not knowing who boz scaggs is
― mark s, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
I watched this once, live on actual TV years ago. Started re-watching it this summer and have only the final episode left which I will watch tonight.
It's been pretty good, though it does suffer from knowing the major plot points and how it all ends. But I was surprised at how many of the sub-plots, minor characters, and details I had forgotten about and a lot of it - especially references to previous seasons - felt more coherent without 12 month gaps between seasons. That time lapse also made it easier to forget how much of a petty, manipulative asshole Walt was pretty much right from the start.
― joygoat, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
doesn't he turn 50 in the first episode
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link
yes it was a completely needless bit of auto-brainwork while tired: once i solved it -- for some reason finding the calculation much harder than it needed to be, bcz i started at the boz scaggs end -- i realised i'd worked out that ok he's obviously much the same age i was in 2008 (=48) so there's no anachronism, and wait anyway didn't they say he's 50
― mark s, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
I think Saul is the steadier, more thoughtful show of the two, but I don't think it has quite scaled Breaking Bad's greatest moments--which, for me, would include "Windy," Hank figuring things out via the poem, and "I fucked Ted," among others.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
Saul had an advantage, I'd say, in that it had a framework from which to start. Breaking Bad had to create its universe and make it up on the go, so sometimes it gets a little erratic.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
Better call Saul is better than breaking bad - I actually don’t know anyone who doesn’t think so - but there are definitely people with weird issues around the fact that Saul is a spin-off from the popular and excellent tv series breaking bad. All these people who definitely, for a fact, fucking cookiemonstered all 5 seasons of bb advising others to skip it and go straight to bcs, as though the former was trash not worth bothering with & as though familiarity with its events and characters weren’t definitely, for a fact, enriching their own experience of watching bcs. This is very bad advice! Someone in the bcs thread was saying “mike is only in this show because ppl were psyched about his character in bb” and I’m like........yes?
― coetzee.cx (wins), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
what is cookiemonstering?
― rob, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
oh you mean ate up greedily, I get it now
I also strongly prefer BCS, but I had a great conversation with a friend recently about how much of a moral distance there is between Jimmy and Saul, and yeah you can't have those kinds of insights if you just dispense with BB (apologies if that has been discussed to death on the BCS thread which I ignore since I'm a season behind)
― rob, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link