I have had it up to here waiting for the Beatles catalogue to be remastered

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Ah, sounds much better. And the backing track...so...they sped it up for the vocal overdubs, apparently?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link

There's a little.... I don't know, horse-gallop? rhythm that's been pushed up in the left speaker. It was always there, but listening to it yesterday, it really seemed distracting.

I think I showed my hand above, the original mix was just fine and any changes are going to take some getting used to. I fine with the remixes though, giving me an opportunity to listen to a familiar album in a new way yeah yeah yeah. I just wouldn't want the original mix to disappear after this. (And definitely not the mono.)

― pplains, Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:57 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, and they've made sure to make it clear that George isn't moaning, "Paul, Paul, Paul..." at the end. Made it painfully clear.

― pplains, Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:05 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The clip-clop is louder, but weirdly, the drums are still in the right channel; on the "Back in the U.S.S.R." remix, they centered the drums. The organ is quieter (which is a shame; I loved that part), and Clapton's solo seems significantly quieter, too.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:51 (five years ago) link

I think the bass could be even louder than it is! They've got that off in the right channel with the drums - seemingly a period-style move.

It's a nice mix overall, though. I would like to hear the background vocals a little more.

timellison, Saturday, 20 October 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link

I also noticed the all four discs of the Sgt Pepper remix is up on Spotify now, as well.

Darin, Sunday, 21 October 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link

The remix of “Guitar” makes each element pop in a way that the original mix doesn’t. I hadn’t realized just how crazy the bass playing is on it! Macca really busted it all out there. Not sure I don’t prefer the original mix tho; the new one sounds just a bit too squeaky-clean, maybe — tho the angstiness gets an upgrade here. Nice headphone candy, regardless.

“USSR”, on the other hand, for sure sounds better to me than the original mix. In retrospect, the wide stereo separation on the original sounds gimmicky. This one is way more integrated. Only complaint: I prefer how the outro vocals are de-emphasized on the original mix.

I’m actually really stoked about this. I didn’t really give a rat’s about the Sgt Pepper remix, but I’m into this one.

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 22 October 2018 03:46 (five years ago) link

Yeah I like the harsh messiness of the '68 mix for Guitar - it makes the song more apocalyptic, which I think they were really going for with Clapton's gnarly solo, anxious piano and the raspy bass attack. The acoustic guitar and piano should be dry and brittle. The remix is more "preserved in aspic" and a bit reverential.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 22 October 2018 04:17 (five years ago) link

I also noticed the all four discs of the Sgt Pepper remix is up on Spotify now, as well.

― Darin, lundi 22 octobre 2018 00:18 (eleven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Great ! Thanks for the info !

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 22 October 2018 09:38 (five years ago) link

I thought "She's Leaving Home" was supposed to be different (slower or faster ?) in the original mono mix.
I only knew the stereo version but after listening to the mono version on the 4 discs box, it seems the same speed.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 22 October 2018 09:41 (five years ago) link

Yeah, you will need to listen to the original mono.

Mark G, Monday, 22 October 2018 09:51 (five years ago) link

There's a "first mono mix" : isn't it that one ?

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 22 October 2018 10:08 (five years ago) link

No.

The one on the 4CD set is a new mono mix.

I particularly noticed / "missed" one oddity - The end of "Good Morning good morning" has a procession of animals, which ends with a chicken, which someone varispeded the beginning of the next track so it sounded like the chicken made two squarks. On the stereo (and all the other mixes) it's one squark and a guitar note at the beginning of the "Reprise" (which was what the 2nd squark really was).

Mark G, Monday, 22 October 2018 10:15 (five years ago) link

OK, so here's what I found regarding "SLH" :
Here's how it was done (rough description):

Recorded the strings in key of E (tape running at 50 cycles, 50 cycles = standard tape "speed")

Raised the recording of #1 in speed which altered tempo slightly and raised the key to "F" (tape running at 53 cycles)

On top of #2 the vocals were laid down on different track (tape running at 53 cycles)

Edited - cut out solo violin riffs after every refrain (tape running at 53 cycles)

Mono mix was made (tape running at 53 cycles)

Then later, when the Stereo mix was made in 1967, they "forgot" to use tape machine "speed" of 53 cycles and instead used 50, which resulted in orchestra sounding as it was recorded, but Paul's vocals became slightly slurry and slowed down (although not as much as John's vocals in SFF after the edit of two versions in the 2nd half).

2017 Stereo version uses the original decision of speed/pitch of 1967 Mono mix. There's a reason Paul (or whoever) raised the orchestra recording in speed/pitch almost a semi-tone for further work, even at that point I guess he felt it was a bit of a drag, even though the total running time differences are minimal.

So it's only the "old" stereo version that was different. The mono and new mix are same as the original mono apparently !

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 22 October 2018 10:44 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I can imaging the old Mono was the benchmark.

Mark G, Monday, 22 October 2018 10:50 (five years ago) link

I can't stop listening to the remixed WMGJW, even though I agree it's maybe a little too clean. Very excited to hear the rest.

Alba, Monday, 22 October 2018 13:05 (five years ago) link

Very curious about "Revolution #9" remix. Maybe Giles will booost up his dad and Alistair Taylor talking about wine so much, it'll sound more like an intro than the Can You Take Me Back snippet.

pplains, Monday, 22 October 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link

They've boosted George's caterwauling at the end, which makes the "weeping" conceit even cornier.

dinnerboat, Monday, 22 October 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link

Only complaint: I prefer how the outro vocals are de-emphasized on the original mix.

I don't think anyone, anywhere, has ever said about a McCartney-sung track, "I wish I could hear more of Paul's ad-libbed scatting."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 22 October 2018 14:05 (five years ago) link

Yes, the pained caterwauling is a bit much.

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Alba, Monday, 22 October 2018 14:15 (five years ago) link

After listening to the "Back in the USSR" and "WMGJW" remixes I have to say I don't hear a lot of differences with the remastered versions...
Nothing compared to the Pepper remix (which I find great).

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 09:05 (five years ago) link

Too bad Manson never got the chance to hear the remix.

pplains, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link

That's right, I just re-used a 30-year-old Dennis Miller joke.

pplains, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link

finally giving this a listen, yeah, the bass is a bit fucking loud isn't it?

akm, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link

Speaking of bass : listening again to the "Srawberry Fields Forever" remix reminded me that I always thought the bass was not as present as it is in all/most of the tracks of that period.
You can hear it of coure, but it's not that HUGE round thing that hits you like on all the other tracks of Pepper and MMT.
It's even less present than on many Revolver era tracks ("Rain", "Tomorrow Never Knows"...).

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 09:33 (five years ago) link

Breakfast With The Beatles played Good Night take 10 (with a guitar part from take 7) and that's a thing of wonder. A country song almost; Lennon on backing vocals!

piscesx, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:35 (five years ago) link

Wow ! I suppose that's as close as we're ever gonna get to that song sung by Lennon...

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:40 (five years ago) link

you can hear it here

https://vimeo.com/296786291

Number None, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 22:05 (five years ago) link

whoah nice!

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link

oh that's really nice. that's the other beatles on backing vocals presumably?

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 25 October 2018 06:50 (five years ago) link

Fantastic !
It's about 100x more moving than the official version...
I really don't like that guitar (or is it some kind of keyboard ?) sound though.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 25 October 2018 08:15 (five years ago) link

I like this! But I think I prefer the original, especially in context. I can't imagine something as straightforward and earthy as this guitar-based arrangement coming after "Revolution 9" -- it had to be an absurdly exaggerated Disney score to close the record (or, if I'm gonna get all Greil Marcus, to close 1968).

(or is it some kind of keyboard ?)

It sounds like a varispeeded 12-string, or maybe a 12-sring with a capo way up on the neck.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 October 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link

yeah pretty cool — the dear prudence/julia-style guitar on there works!

tylerw, Thursday, 25 October 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link

Revolution (Take 18)

https://vimeo.com/296786291

Alba, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 13:49 (five years ago) link

Oops wrong url

https://vimeo.com/297813111

Alba, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 14:04 (five years ago) link

nice ! a few years ago there was another take that was released of Rev1/9 that was great and showed the evolution of the song.
As for the "Good Night" version, I can see why one would prefer the official version but it also works as a link to their following policy of "back to basics/no overdubs" to have that very simple arrangement.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 09:15 (five years ago) link

Revolution is batshit - although fascinating I can understand why George Martin didn't want to work with them on these sessions.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 09:44 (five years ago) link

a few years ago there was another take that was released of Rev1/9

thought this was the same one tbh but I didn't check

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link

ah yeah, maybe. I don't remember very well but I thought the previous one was less "complete" from the song to the collage.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link

The one Alba posted is the same basic track as the “Take 20” that leaked a few years ago (and the “Revolution 1” on the original album). “Take 20” had backing vocals and all the collagey overdubs that were instead used on “Revolution 9,” while this mix is stripped down.

While I’m a little disappointed that “Take 20” isn’t getting an official release, I love this mix. Lennon’s vocalizations are terrifying — he learned a lot from Yoko in a very short time.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link

Ah yeah ! There were great backing vocals on that take !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link

yeah that's the one with the "mama/papa" background vox, iirc

Darin, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 20:50 (five years ago) link

Exactly ! Loved that take. Actually I think I liked it more than both official revolutions !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link

Apparently, there’s a “new” “Glass Onion” “video” (the “Hey Bulldog” footage used for the nth time). I tried to open it, but apparently you can’t do so without letting Apple Music sync all your shit, and I don’t feel like destroying the music on my phone at the moment.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link

Don't know why there's two links there but the second one seems to work

nate woolls, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link

listening to that revolution take now. I loved Take 20 so I hope this measures up. Shame if they didn't put 20 on here, or something closely approximating it.

akm, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 22:41 (five years ago) link

ok this seems close and it doesn't have that loud annoying fucking noise in it that 20 had i liked the effects on 20 that really married this to #9.

akm, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 22:45 (five years ago) link

that "glass onion" video is great and the remix sounds really good

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 22:56 (five years ago) link

Yellow Submarine Songtrack and the two BBC sets are up on Spotify now.

timellison, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link

apple music too though weirdly the spoken tracks aren't for some reason. not a huge loss but I'm kind of used to them ('dear whack!')

akm, Thursday, 1 November 2018 06:40 (five years ago) link

Glass Onion 2018 mix, Take 10 and Esher demo now up on Spotify.

Alba, Friday, 2 November 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link


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