US Politics, October 2018: next week will be even longer

everyone knows guatemala and honduras is run by the democrat party. this is their fault.

Guatemala > Flowers of Guatemala > REM > Rock the vote > Clinton Inauguration > Hillary > Soros

whoa

the scales have lifted

I didn’t believe it at first, but it checks out: every entity in that chain involves money

This is a real radio ad currently running in Arkansas in support of Republican Congressman French Hill on radio stations targeted to the African American community. I don't even have words to describe it. pic.twitter.com/vpzt1nGPlc

— (((Ben Tribbett))) (@notlarrysabato) October 18, 2018

man... that is rough

fucking christ

really checks all the boxes, doesn't it

Curious about how many black Americans belong to Black Americans for the President's Agenda.

missed a chance to throw in a random reference to Chicago there

from the bloomberg article about the dumb bolton/kelly fight discussed above:

Trump has lately expressed fury about a large group of migrants who are traveling from Honduras toward the U.S. border. He vowed Thursday to deploy the military and shut down the Mexican border unless the migrants are turned back.

didn't realize he had "vowed" this. maybe he's hoping to manufacture a crisis just before the election? probably just blowing smoke

He should personally shut down the border. Just suit up and march back and forth, with a gun over his shoulder.

they stole that idea from Rod Blagojovich!!! holy shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OqHhoF1XAM

https://www.newyorker.com/news/swamp-chronicles/is-fraud-part-of-the-trump-organizations-business-model

democrats should spend more energy reminding people that the trump organization (apparently) only turns a profit by defrauding investors. also, the tax story shouldn't be framed as being about how him inheriting that 400 million, because he didn't. he stole about half of it from the US government through tax fraud.

he's not a "businessman"

he's a business man

let him handle his business damn

Trump praises Gianforte for attacking a Guardian reporter as the world reels from Jamal Khashoggi’s murder. The Capital Gazette shooting was four months ago. https://t.co/JgFEX9kT7X

— dell cameron (@dellcam) October 19, 2018

he's not though. not that i have any love for real estate billionaires, but he isn't even that. he's like a madoff type character.

democrats should spend more energy reminding people that the trump organization (apparently) only turns a profit by defrauding investors. also, the tax story shouldn't be framed as being about how him inheriting that 400 million, because he didn't. he stole about half of it from the US government through tax fraud.

we are well past the point where any of this really matters

2020's comin up and the democrats shouldn't water it down. the takeaway from that times tax story wasn't that he inherited a bunch of money and thus was not "self-made." it's that he was a criminal from the start. and his entire business career was based on swindling people.

it really doesn’t matter as long as he keeps trolling libs

no one who voted for him cares and 75% of them would do the same given the opportunity

no one who voted for him cares and 75% of them would do the same given the opportunity

This is true, and who cares? The point isn't to convert Trump voters. They're ~30% of the electorate and will stay that way as long as there's a Trump (or a Steve King, probably, in 2024) to vote for. The point is to convince other people, who have not previously voted, to vote against Trump or against whatever Republican is running.

"That makes me smart!"

i didn't say that democrats should advertise that trump is literal criminal because it will make the scales fall from his most avid supporters' eyes. it could also inspire the apathetic, or the people who unthinkingly vote republican cuz their family does, and whatever

Or maybe just talk about literally anything else. I don't know what you could possibly say about Trump at this point to someone who isn't already convinced that he's among the worst humans currently living.

The point is to convince other people, who have not previously voted, to vote against Trump or against whatever Republican is running.

― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, October 18, 2018

"actually guys, trump is not really a self-made man" is def the missing piece that will get people to the polls, because nobody knew that in 2016

aka Old Lunch otm

i was saying not to frame it that way but fine

I don't know what you could possibly say about Trump at this point to someone who isn't already convinced that he's among the worst humans currently living.

This misses the point that a very large portion of the US electorate pays only the tiniest fraction of their attention to politics. You have to pound them with the same information over and over for it to penetrate. That's what the Republican disinformation apparatus does - and after the 18th or 26th repetition, it becomes a fact, whether it is true or not.

Congressional Dems don't have the antiestablishment bona fides to claim a moral high ground on corruption. They'll make the attack and Trump will give them a stupid nickname and makena false equivalency and say something freshly racist about Maxine Waters because he has a walnut brain and that narrative Gambit will land hollow

idk. if i was running in 2020, and i still might, i would try to link the trump organization with the word "fraud" in everyone's minds

I think movements ought to be doing that--I don't think the broad public trusts any given sitting Dem to have a clean nose, distrust being historically high.

if dems were all doing cocaine they would somehow be more likeable -- not something you can say about anyone else

To what extent have would-be new voters already written off the future, is my question

if i was running in 2020, and i still might, i would try to link the trump organization with the word "fraud" in everyone's minds

Donfraud J Trump?

On second thought, American J Public might mistake that for a pun on Frau.

idk. if i was running in 2020, and i still might, i would try to link the trump organization with the word "fraud" in everyone's minds

They already tried that - remember the ads with all the contractors Trump defrauded on his properties?
Didn't work.

painting trump as a "fraud" wouldn't work in that context because a lot of people would a) do the same b) respect someone else who successfully gamed the system. someone else said that, years ago, I forget where I read it. I agree with it, anyway it would be better to run on literally anything else like someone said upthread. the tax stuff is SO boring

You have to pound them with the same information over and over for it to penetrate.

i've been there, just not with information

anyway congrats to NYT, WaPo, MSNBC etc for legitimizing obvious MBS front group Arabia Foundation by treating it as independent & not disclosing it was regime PR. Im sure this will cause them all to reflect on the role “think tanks” play in shaping option https://t.co/T07Gx95eKn

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) October 19, 2018

The problem with trying to tell the truth about Trump is the existence of the concept of Fake News. So everything revealed can be ascribed to being part of that by a true believer.
So wonder what it takes to get the wool removed from their eyes. Are even eventual immediate physical consequences going to be enough or are they going to be put down to other reasons than what would hopefully be the recognisable cause.

The 'truth' about Trump is irrelevant. Making any campaign about Trump is a mistake. Give people something to vote FOR instead

Trump is a mirror

if i was running in 2020, and i still might, i would try to link the trump organization with the word "fraud" in everyone's minds

you should already be running and have your fraudpaign well under way by now

Trump is a world class striker, but a wrestler beats a striker every time.

No good putting up more strikers and playing to Trumps strengths

Trump is a mirror

Reflect what you are

Trump is a world class striker, but a wrestler beats a striker every time.

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